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Offlineyawg
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Pantheism
    #6703776 - 03/23/07 04:24 PM (17 years, 10 days ago)

I am an agnostic pantheist. I believe that the universe is synonymous with god. I believe that everything; you, me, everyone we know, everything we can or cannot see; are really one entity. We are one entity in a reality we cannot see fully. From our point of view we appear to be separate beings. And for most cases, we are. Our brains are separate, and so go our thoughts and opinions. The unity transcends normal human life. I find myself treating people with more respect since I truly believe they are the same entity as me. We are god from different points of view. I'm not sure what death is all about. I'm fairly certain that my human death will not be the end of my total life. It will be the end of that point of view. All memories of this life from this life's point of view will be gone. I will only exist in alternate present, pasts, and futures, and in the minds of those I met.... (heh, "only"). The part I'm unsure about is how the next point of view is chosen. I don't think the concept of "next" even applies in this context. I'm talking about an "out-of-time/space" experience. I think that all points of view are the "next" points of view. But I also thing that the all-knowing all-seeing god point of view doesn't exist. It is like infinity. It isn't real. We can imagine it, but we cannot realize it. I think that death might give us a glimpse. But the true magnitude of infinity/god may only be realized in the form of the universe itself. We may only see finite sections of it. That's enough rambling for me today. I look forward to any comments and discussion regarding this topic.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_pantheism
http://www.pantheism.net/
http://www.pantheist.net/
http://www.pantheist.net/society/practice_pantheist_mindfulness.html
http://www.pantheism.net/manifest.htm

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Re: Pantheism [Re: yawg]
    #6704059 - 03/23/07 06:55 PM (17 years, 10 days ago)

Sounds like fun.:thumbup:


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Re: Pantheism [Re: yawg]
    #6704106 - 03/23/07 07:12 PM (17 years, 10 days ago)

I'm more partial to panentheism.


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Re: Pantheism [Re: yawg]
    #6704197 - 03/23/07 07:31 PM (17 years, 10 days ago)

Like Silversoul, I am Panentheistic.


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Re: Pantheism [Re: Silversoul]
    #6705061 - 03/24/07 12:47 AM (17 years, 10 days ago)

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Silversoul said:
I'm more partial to panentheism.




Yes, I was going to post as well that I favor panentheism when I read the title of this thread before opening it. :grin:


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Re: Pantheism [Re: yawg]
    #6705317 - 03/24/07 02:31 AM (17 years, 10 days ago)

Not Pantheist, but Panentheist here too.


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Re: Pantheism *DELETED* [Re: yawg]
    #6705572 - 03/24/07 05:53 AM (17 years, 9 days ago)

Post deleted by Lakefingers

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Re: Pantheism [Re: Lakefingers]
    #6705730 - 03/24/07 08:19 AM (17 years, 9 days ago)

what's the point in connecting an understanding like that to a notion of god?

it seems limiting

re: death from a pantheistic point of view wouldn't it naturally be a dissolution of consciousness and a rejoining with the universal energy/entity you lot have labelled 'god'? which could eventually arise again in another conscious form, and would, provided time is infinite. and without comprehending time as our human senses do, the gap would appear non-existent... so unless I have made a mistake, for all conscious purposes pantheism entails a belief in a form reincarnation?


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Re: Pantheism [Re: Silversoul]
    #6705777 - 03/24/07 08:51 AM (17 years, 9 days ago)

Just to elaborate on panentheism: When I pray to God, I am praying to something that lies within me, but is also way beyond my normal experience of reality, and thus also seems like a separate entity, even though nothing is truly separate from it. I am praying to something that is manifest all around me in the physical world as well as the subtle dimensions, but I am also praying the unmanifest Godhead, from whom all things manifest. I'm essentially praying to the great mystery which is within me, around me, and beyond me.


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Re: Pantheism [Re: Silversoul]
    #6705843 - 03/24/07 09:23 AM (17 years, 9 days ago)

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Silversoul said:
Just to elaborate on panentheism: When I pray to God, I am praying to something that lies within me, but is also way beyond my normal experience of reality, and thus also seems like a separate entity, even though nothing is truly separate from it. I am praying to something that is manifest all around me in the physical world as well as the subtle dimensions, but I am also praying the unmanifest Godhead, from whom all things manifest. I'm essentially praying to the great mystery which is within me, around me, and beyond me.




very good.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Pantheism [Re: Icelander]
    #6706282 - 03/24/07 12:22 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

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Icelander said:
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Silversoul said:
Just to elaborate on panentheism:  When I pray to God, I am praying to something that lies within me, but is also way beyond my normal experience of reality, and thus also seems like a separate entity, even though nothing is truly separate from it.  I am praying to something that is manifest all around me in the physical world as well as the subtle dimensions, but I am also praying the unmanifest Godhead, from whom all things manifest.  I'm essentially praying to the great mystery which is within me, around me, and beyond me.




very good.




Ditto.  < Shortest post on record :laugh:


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Re: Pantheism [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #6709477 - 03/25/07 12:36 PM (17 years, 8 days ago)

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Ditto.  < Shortest post on record :laugh:




False. This was your shortest post on record:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6590643#Post6590643

Hey, I'm a moderator, I'm suspossed to know these things. :tongue:


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Re: Pantheism [Re: fireworks_god]
    #6709903 - 03/25/07 03:08 PM (17 years, 8 days ago)

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MarkostheGnostic said:
Ditto.  < Shortest post on record :laugh:




False. This was your shortest post on record:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6590643#Post6590643

Hey, I'm a moderator, I'm suspossed to know these things. :tongue:




Wow! You're right. I thought someone commented on my shortest post in the not-too-distant past. I guess this is the 2nd shortest post ever. I stand corrected. Impressive memory! :smile:

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Re: Pantheism [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #6710005 - 03/25/07 03:53 PM (17 years, 8 days ago)

The only reason I remembered is because I made that statement in that thread about it being the shortest post I've ever seen you make. :grin:


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Re: Pantheism [Re: yawg]
    #6711988 - 03/26/07 02:56 AM (17 years, 8 days ago)

I really can#t see much difference from pantheism to polytheism and monotheism - I feel connected to them all.
For me everything also is g*d, including the internal realms (why exclude them ?). Therefor pan.
The multitude and difference in what we perceive and put into different concepts for me is ruled by 'poly'.
So there are many gods, but they stack to the top to one highest personified principle, the mono, which diverts back into the poly and the pan :smile:


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Re: Pantheism [Re: woleb]
    #6745210 - 04/04/07 05:33 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Yes and no. I don't think that I will be aware of any reincarnation after my death. I think that all lives are the ones previous to my own, and all lives are what come "next". I suspect that life is our experience of the finite, and death is our experience of the infinite.

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Re: Pantheism [Re: woleb]
    #6825291 - 04/23/07 10:30 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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woleb said:
so unless I have made a mistake, for all conscious purposes pantheism entails a belief in a form reincarnation?




yes and no, heh. I'm not sure what death will be like. I have a very vague idea, but I'm at a loss when it comes to that transition. The key is that I already am the universe and everything in it. So the death of this human body won't change that. I don't see this as my soul leaving my dead body and flying around until it finds the next life to live. My soul is the one soul we all share, our true self, god. When I die, the universe will no longer be able to observe itself from my point of view. I'm not sure if that answers your question. I assure you this all makes sense in my head!

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