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multiple strains, one jar
    #6668996 - 03/14/07 01:59 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

What would happen if you inoculated a PF-tek jar with more than one strain of mushroom? I've read stuff about combining 2 strains to make a new one.  Would that happen, or would the stronger/first to pin be the strain to grow?

I would test it myself, but I'm still working on my first grow, so I'm sticking to 1 strain at a time.

Thanks :smile:

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Re: multiple strains, one jar [Re: D-Wreck]
    #6669020 - 03/14/07 02:05 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

good question
I knocked up jars with Golden teacher, B+, and Cambodian. one strain per jar no mixing.
but now I have no way to tell which are which so when I case I think its going to be inevitable for them to mix
I wonder what will happen


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Re: multiple strains, one jar [Re: mikeytro]
    #6669035 - 03/14/07 02:13 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

It will mess up your grow. They wont "merge" together. You will have two seperate grows in your jar, and if your substrate. They will be compeating the whole time and not give you a yeild anywhere near what you could have received. If you get fruits, and if they don't try and metabolize all over eachother.

No do not mix your spawn, the same thing will happen, you might get some patchy fruit- but ni the end, prolly just screw your grow over.

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Re: multiple strains, one jar [Re: drunkencoyote]
    #6669041 - 03/14/07 02:15 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

can someone else back this up?


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Re: multiple strains, one jar [Re: drunkencoyote]
    #6669046 - 03/14/07 02:17 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

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It will mess up your grow. They wont "merge" together. You will have two seperate grows in your jar, and if your substrate. They will be compeating the whole time and not give you a yeild anywhere near what you could have received. If you get fruits, and if they don't try and metabolize all over eachother.

No do not mix your spawn, the same thing will happen, you might get some patchy fruit- but ni the end, prolly just screw your grow over.




Thats actually what I kind of figured. Its like putting 2 hungry animals in a cage and only one piece of meat. They'll fight over it until one of them is dead.. and the other wounded. Haha

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Re: multiple strains, one jar [Re: D-Wreck]
    #6669121 - 03/14/07 02:40 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

Its a waste of spore solution. A beginner is probably not going to create the next super shroom so why even bother. think of it as mixing dogbreeds.


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Re: multiple strains, one jar [Re: tihkalpihkal]
    #6669125 - 03/14/07 02:42 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

hmmm now I'm still unsure whether mixing different colonized strains is harmful or not, by common sense I would say no but that other dude said it would be harmful
if it is, i will make an extra effort to separate my jars by the type of strain


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Re: multiple strains, one jar [Re: mikeytro]
    #6669141 - 03/14/07 02:46 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

Just dont case those jars and fruit them pf style.


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Re: multiple strains, one jar [Re: tihkalpihkal]
    #6669145 - 03/14/07 02:47 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

edit, understand
still I want to know from a credible source of whether casing different strains is hazardous


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Re: multiple strains, one jar [Re: mikeytro]
    #6669163 - 03/14/07 02:53 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

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edit, understand
still I want to know from a credible source of whether casing different strains is hazardous




I may be mistaken, but I don't think he was saying it was hazardous. I think he was just saying that in mixing them, not as many will be produced because of the 2 strains fighting for control.

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Re: multiple strains, one jar [Re: mikeytro]
    #6669178 - 03/14/07 02:57 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

well, it would SEEM like a cool idea, but it will not work, like someone else said the two will compete for eachother, just like football for example(bad analagy but oh well haha) there both humans,(i hope :smile:) both playing the same sport, just different teams, and they both wanna win...

hope this helps, trust me i thought it would be cool to do, but its not gonna work, and with that said it would seem like once a strain colonized and fruited the flush probablly wouldnt be good either IMO, because the myc would probablly be so tired and what not from competing...idk just my though...

but i have herd of people doing it and having not so good results..
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Re: multiple strains, one jar [Re: MrCubensis]
    #6669241 - 03/14/07 03:19 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

no it won't work, one strain is ultimately gonna beat the other and it won't produce very much ether because it wasted all of it's energy kicking the other strains ass

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Re: multiple strains, one jar [Re: dutchmushroom]
    #6669250 - 03/14/07 03:21 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

thanks for the input, will definitely use the ones I dont know as cakes


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Re: multiple strains, one jar [Re: mikeytro]
    #6669302 - 03/14/07 03:35 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

Thanks for all the info guys :thumbup:

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Re: multiple strains, one jar [Re: D-Wreck]
    #6669440 - 03/14/07 04:10 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

If by strain you mean the many strains of Psilocybe cubensis then it is alright to inoculate a jar with multiple strains. But if it is a different type of mushroom all together say Pans then it will not work because they will be competing over the substrate and one won't have the optimal conditions for growth.


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Re: multiple strains, one jar [Re: Willsk8t4shrooms]
    #6669730 - 03/14/07 05:35 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

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If by strain you mean the many strains of Psilocybe cubensis then it is alright to inoculate a jar with multiple strains. But if it is a different type of mushroom all together say Pans then it will not work because they will be competing over the substrate and one won't have the optimal conditions for growth.




So, you're saying I could put both ecuador and ummm.. koh samui (2 random strains of p. cubensis) and they would grow together? Would some of the cake be one strain, and another part of it be the other?

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Re: multiple strains, one jar [Re: D-Wreck]
    #6670706 - 03/14/07 09:52 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

yes no matter what "strain" they are all P. cubensis. The hyphae of opposite mating types regardless of strain are compatible and will merge.


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Re: multiple strains, one jar [Re: djnoktirnal]
    #6670787 - 03/14/07 10:06 PM (17 years, 9 days ago)

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yes no matter what "strain" they are all P. cubensis. The hyphae of opposite mating types regardless of strain are compatible and will merge.




Thank you. Everybody else who said it's a waste or they'll fight it out is just making shit up. I've posted on this dozens of times and am tired of typing it over and over again endlessly because people don't want to search. Hyphae from the same species such as cubensis will readily mix just the same as spores from the same darn print will mate. In fact, I just answered this question in detail in the last few days.
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Re: multiple strains, one jar [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6671206 - 03/14/07 11:59 PM (17 years, 8 days ago)

This should probably be in an FAQ somewhere.

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Re: multiple strains, one jar [Re: Kamin]
    #6671671 - 03/15/07 06:20 AM (17 years, 8 days ago)

sorry for spreading false information, i just read a lot that it wouldnt work...:\ ill shut up now :crazy:


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