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Kickle
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Have your psychedelic views changed with Age?
#6661325 - 03/12/07 01:07 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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When integrating your trips back in to your life, is it ever changing as you age?
Do you interpret psychedelics differently at different stages in your life?
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Re: Have your psychedelic views changed with Age? [Re: Kickle]
#6661333 - 03/12/07 01:09 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I mean, I'm only 23 years old, not even a quarter-century of the way through time yet...I had my first trip when I was eighteen. And in 5 years, so much has changed.
When I first began tripping, it was just another high I wanted to explore. I wanted to "see things." I wanted to giggle. As I explored psilocybin, MDxx, and LSD over the years, I watched as some friends grew out of "that phase," while I became more and more fascinated with it.
Once I realized that the psychedelic experience was one of the five most profound experiences I had ever had (the other four being: writing, travel, sex and love) it became much more a spiritual thing for me. I realized that this was my religious experience, the only one I had ever truly had.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake. -Erik Davis
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Re: Have your psychedelic views changed with Age? [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#6661427 - 03/12/07 01:44 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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My view of psychedelics is dramatically changed during last 6 months. It all happened thanks to high doses of shrooms that I did alone. After the first trip I thought I never wanted to do any psychedelics with any of my friends because they do it just for fun as I used to do. Well one of my friend got curious and wanted to understand what do I see in doing psychedelics alone and so he took about 400 morning glory seeds about 45 minutes ago. I would like if anyone would send their good vibes as I do to this fellow man to understand the real purpose of psychedelics.
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Re: Have your psychedelic views changed with Age? [Re: Individual]
#6661432 - 03/12/07 01:46 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Solo tripping changes everything.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake. -Erik Davis
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Re: Have your psychedelic views changed with Age? [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#6661436 - 03/12/07 01:46 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Word!
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redgreenvines
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Re: Have your psychedelic views changed with Age? [Re: Individual] 1
#6661513 - 03/12/07 02:10 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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No. but yes.
since I was 17 (first time - 1969): it was exciting, strangely familiar, mysterious, and intuitively consistent with set and setting. and now it is all that and even more comprehensible as a layered stream of gestalt mentation (sensation upon sensation, image upon image, holographically arrayed, historically consensual) - and even more similar to dreams and even more natural than originally perceived by that rainbow child.
the extra options, the extra directions in which mental movement can take place are less strange now, but just as refreshing.
Unfortunately when we think it is fine not to remember dreams, we loose touch with the layered way of being, and psychedelic helps to reconnect us with it while awake.
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Re: Have your psychedelic views changed with Age? [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
#6661562 - 03/12/07 02:23 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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OneMoreRobot3021 said: When I first began tripping, it was just another high I wanted to explore. I wanted to "see things." I wanted to giggle. As I explored psilocybin, MDxx, and LSD over the years, I watched as some friends grew out of "that phase," while I became more and more fascinated with it.
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Re: Have your psychedelic views changed with Age? [Re: redgreenvines]
#6661579 - 03/12/07 02:26 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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When I was 16 I only actively sought these substances for the potential to abuse them, primarly to have fun and waste time... since then many things have changed in my life.
In my adolescence I was strictly anti-religious... Athiesm really doesn't cover it, as I was incredibly intolerant of those who would propagate their views of subjugation and eternal lakes of fire...
After a decade of hallucinating I have become incredibly attuned to "mystical" experiences and I accept the idea that there is order in chaos for a reason... I may not know what it is, but I can no longer deny its existence.
I also realize it is not an experience to be suggested wholesale... there are those who do not have the mental faculties necessary to deal with hallucinogenic experiences and incorporate them successfully into their lives...
I know this because I watched a friend lose his mind during a trip we shared together, and over the next three years I watched him subsequently lose his life just as everyone else was starting theirs... he developed a horrible case of schizophrenia and took his own life with a shotgun after dropping off a copy of the White Album at my old house... ugh
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Re: Have your psychedelic views changed with Age? [Re: xeallos]
#6662166 - 03/12/07 05:13 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just strange how age can change our perceptions of 'reality' as well as of psychedelics.
It makes me think of an older generation trying psychedelics for the first time, versus a youth trying them for the first time. What kind of differences would there be?
-------------------- Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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Re: Have your psychedelic views changed with Age? [Re: redgreenvines]
#6662259 - 03/12/07 05:41 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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What is your fascination with the gestalt theory? I always thought it was a science that Dr. Phil used to get cash, but I remember you mentioning how the mind has the ability to feel like it has more limbs than it really does and stuff. I looked it up and ended up reading Born to Win :Transactional analysis using gestalt experiments. I was wondering what kind of books you have been reading. I seem to have gone the wrong way in my intentional direction.
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redgreenvines said: No. but yes.
since I was 17 (first time - 1969): it was exciting, strangely familiar, mysterious, and intuitively consistent with set and setting. and now it is all that and even more comprehensible as a layered stream of gestalt mentation (sensation upon sensation, image upon image, holographically arrayed, historically consensual) - and even more similar to dreams and even more natural than originally perceived by that rainbow child.
the extra options, the extra directions in which mental movement can take place are less strange now, but just as refreshing.
Unfortunately when we think it is fine not to remember dreams, we loose touch with the layered way of being, and psychedelic helps to reconnect us with it while awake.
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Re: Have your psychedelic views changed with Age? [Re: xeallos]
#6662291 - 03/12/07 05:53 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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xeallos said: When I was 16 I only actively sought these substances for the potential to abuse them, primarly to have fun and waste time... since then many things have changed in my life.
In my adolescence I was strictly anti-religious... Athiesm really doesn't cover it, as I was incredibly intolerant of those who would propagate their views of subjugation and eternal lakes of fire...
After a decade of hallucinating I have become incredibly attuned to "mystical" experiences and I accept the idea that there is order in chaos for a reason... I may not know what it is, but I can no longer deny its existence.
I also realize it is not an experience to be suggested wholesale... there are those who do not have the mental faculties necessary to deal with hallucinogenic experiences and incorporate them successfully into their lives...
I know this because I watched a friend lose his mind during a trip we shared together, and over the next three years I watched him subsequently lose his life just as everyone else was starting theirs... he developed a horrible case of schizophrenia and took his own life with a shotgun after dropping off a copy of the White Album at my old house... ugh
dude that is truly terrible about your friend. im sorry you had to experience that
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Re: Have your psychedelic views changed with Age? [Re: xeallos]
#6662330 - 03/12/07 06:05 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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xeallos said:
I also realize it is not an experience to be suggested wholesale... there are those who do not have the mental faculties necessary to deal with hallucinogenic experiences and incorporate them successfully into their lives...
I know this because I watched a friend lose his mind during a trip we shared together, and over the next three years I watched him subsequently lose his life just as everyone else was starting theirs... he developed a horrible case of schizophrenia and took his own life with a shotgun after dropping off a copy of the White Album at my old house... ugh
Damn I just realized I'm going thru the same thing as you did. I have an friend who lost hes mind to drugs as well. He has spent about half an year in mental hospital during past few years and now is on some pills and the substance in them is used for injecting to schizophrenics on seizure. He has no social life what so ever. He's never in any conversation. Only sentences that are coming out from his mouth are about doing drugs. I really hope this won't go this far as your case did, but I know my friend won't probably heal. It's really sad to see a person-s life wasted away that way.
Damn this freaked me out.
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Re: Have your psychedelic views changed with Age? [Re: Individual]
#6662517 - 03/12/07 06:54 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just to add to the sadness........ A festie who always managed to find the best lsd at those shows was a good friend of mine. He lost his mind. It wasnt directly because of psychedelics. They were the straw that broke the camels back though.
Schizophrenia. He Lives off of gov cheese. Finally he found some meds that work for him after 3 years and he has lost 25 pounds because of them. He has gotten alot better though he looks almost sickly.
I dont want to scare anyone though. I have the most insane proneness to schizophrenia imaginable. Its on both sides of my family, and two suicides caused by the illness as far as we know.
All I know is that psychedelics made me FAR MORE schizotypal, but that was a VERY good thing for me.
Over the years psychedelics became a whole new thing due to the grand pile-up of all my experiences.
Some people stagnate and think they cant learn more from them.
Some people dont feel they can have fun on them anymore because it just becomes more and more unbelievable and lifechanging. I am the later.
You can break some very serious rules that you hold to be true. That sort of schizotypal shit can only be explained in a book-worth of info, and NOBODY who hasnt experienced it will understand or believe half of what you are talking about.
I dont use psychedelics anymore. If I did I fear my head would explode.............lol
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redgreenvines
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Re: Have your psychedelic views changed with Age? [Re: Jon]
#6663754 - 03/13/07 04:22 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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jon In the '60s & '70s gestalt psychology and Fritz Perls was very interesting, but my interest at that time was more in Tibetan Buddhism. Mandalas, Thankas, and imaging all things that are coincident in time together as one thing. Taking it all in at once!
This also is gestalt, and the core nub of it in fact.
All that happens in your mind and sensorium in a single moment is a gestalt. (that which stands together)
My interest in "all which happens together" related to understanding of buddhism first, and then to the understanding of mind itself and the formation of memories, and natural psychology.
Indeed how does all which happens in one instant become holographically fixed into a single memory - a mind moment snap shot.
I pursued this question in Neurophysiology as well as experientially.
Associative mentation connects simmilar arrangements in the mind and through them links these memory snap shots which may have dissimilar content as well (i.e. memories of the train station with your lover and memories of the same place with your mother); enabling transitional stream of consciousness content. These transitions are mistakenly considered logical processing while they really are simply associative mental activities.
all quite interesting...
so to tie it into the thread topic. my interest has morphed from one of curiosity about pure magic (and delight of the senses and dreams), to also include observation of associative mentation, & seeing the magic of mind in action.
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Jon said: What is your fascination with the gestalt theory? I always thought it was a science that Dr. Phil used to get cash, but I remember you mentioning how the mind has the ability to feel like it has more limbs than it really does and stuff. I looked it up and ended up reading Born to Win :Transactional analysis using gestalt experiments. I was wondering what kind of books you have been reading. I seem to have gone the wrong way in my intentional direction.
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redgreenvines said: No. but yes.
since I was 17 (first time - 1969): it was exciting, strangely familiar, mysterious, and intuitively consistent with set and setting. and now it is all that and even more comprehensible as a layered stream of gestalt mentation (sensation upon sensation, image upon image, holographically arrayed, historically consensual) - and even more similar to dreams and even more natural than originally perceived by that rainbow child.
the extra options, the extra directions in which mental movement can take place are less strange now, but just as refreshing.
Unfortunately when we think it is fine not to remember dreams, we loose touch with the layered way of being, and psychedelic helps to reconnect us with it while awake.
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