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GoomTard
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Opium
#6653113 - 03/09/07 02:19 PM (17 years, 24 days ago) |
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Hey, does anyone here know anything about growing opium poppies? I just bought hella seeds from a grocery store and planted them in both steer and chicken manure, and one pot with both of them mixed. I planted them yesterday afternoon. I was wondering if I should use fertilizer at this point or not. Also, I want to know how often/much should I water them?
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Spire
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Your chances of harvesting ANY opium with that are "0".
Papaver Somniferum is the only opium generating poppy AFAIK.
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wearejellyfish
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i'm about to go buy some seeds today too. but i am going to plant them around campus. since i live on campus. but places where not a lot of people go.
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Abrainspot
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Koala Koolio
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"Papaver Somniferum is the only opium generating poppy AFAIK. "
Don't grocery stores sell somniferum? Not for planting, but for eating. I realize it still might not be ideal for alkaloids.
Wish I had a spot to grow some. No garden/etc. Public space would work if you found a good enough spot with some other flowers. but you'd have to spread em out in different areas if you wanted any decent amount.
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GoomTard
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Re: Opium [Re: Spire]
#6653338 - 03/09/07 03:21 PM (17 years, 24 days ago) |
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Spire said: Your chances of harvesting ANY opium with that are "0".
Papaver Somniferum is the only opium generating poppy AFAIK.
Dude, I talked to an opium seed vendor who sells his seeds on High Times , and he told me the ones at the grocery store will yeild the same potency opium as other ones, and it is somniferum. The only difference is that the pods are not as large as some of the other strains, but the difference in alkaloids is very insignificant, and if you cook your O, then it's the same shit. Plus, every website and book you will read on O will say the same shit, so I'm not going to take your word over every other, the chances of me doing that are "0".
So yeah man, I already know these seeds will work, I just wanted advice.
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Spiderbaby
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they grow wild where i live
mano you dont need to give them any special treatement they grow like weeds, they are hardy and grow easily
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GoomTard
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Mitchnast
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Re: Opium [Re: Spire]
#6653350 - 03/09/07 03:26 PM (17 years, 24 days ago) |
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Spire said: Your chances of harvesting ANY opium with that are "0".
Papaver Somniferum is the only opium generating poppy AFAIK.
which is ALSO the ONLY type of poppyseed used in food.
so that makes the percentage increse SUBSTANTIALLY from zero
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GoomTard
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Quote:
Mitchnast said:
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Spire said: Your chances of harvesting ANY opium with that are "0".
Papaver Somniferum is the only opium generating poppy AFAIK.
which is ALSO the ONLY type of poppyseed used in food.
so that makes the percentage increse SUBSTANTIALLY from zero
lol.
hey man, I like your style, reminds me of me!
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brshroomer
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i'm growing some poppies from store bought seeds right now...out of season(extremelly out of season) but is just an experiment...just to see how it goes...
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Spire
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Only? Didn't know it was the only poppy seed used as there are other species of poppy without the alkaloids such as Papaver rhoeas, Papaver dubium, Meconopsis cambrica, and Glaucium flavum, Eschscholzia californica (A very common legal to grow poppy),Argemone (Prickly Poppy, another very common poppy) etc...
All of which are legal to grow as they do not contain any active alkaloids such as Opium.
I assumed Papaver Somniferum would not be the poppy used because it is illegal to grow beyond ornamental purposes. Maybe for its seeds? Arent there legal alternative poppies to use instead?
So you can see where my reasoning derived from.
I don't doubt your though Mitch, as ive seen your skills with Poppy in the past, but it just struck me odd over the whole legality of the issue.
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Edited by Spire (03/09/07 03:55 PM)
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Mitchnast
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Re: Opium [Re: Spire]
#6653430 - 03/09/07 03:58 PM (17 years, 24 days ago) |
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since when did the "laws" make any sense?
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cpw1971
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I read somewhere about Mckormick switching over to modified poppies that don't produce o. I don't know how true it is though. If not then they are Tazzies which happen to have the highest alkaloid content.
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brshroomer
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Re: Opium [Re: cpw1971]
#6653573 - 03/09/07 04:55 PM (17 years, 24 days ago) |
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it's kinda impossible for the poppies to not produce opium...is in their nature...part of their life-cycle...
and is not just a substance that just happens in there...it has a purpose involving the seeds of the plants...
my guess is if it stop producing o, something not so good will happen to the seeds...but maybe they developed one that has low alkaloid content...
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bukujutsu
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Is it possible to sprout poppies in fresh or aged poo? I have some old chicken and dove poo and might try this. Should the poo be ground up and hydrated to field capacity?
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2FiNiTe
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Re: Opium [Re: Spire]
#6653961 - 03/09/07 07:25 PM (17 years, 24 days ago) |
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If it doesn't contain opiates, who the fuck cares? Go for the gold or go home.
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brshroomer
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Re: Opium [Re: 2FiNiTe]
#6653977 - 03/09/07 07:32 PM (17 years, 24 days ago) |
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low alkaloid content...getting rid of all the magic in there would be impossible...
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GoomTard
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Re: Opium [Re: cpw1971]
#6654370 - 03/09/07 10:12 PM (17 years, 24 days ago) |
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cpw1971 said: I read somewhere about Mckormick switching over to modified poppies that don't produce o. I don't know how true it is though. If not then they are Tazzies which happen to have the highest alkaloid content.
Actually, this is true. But since this is a new operation, and because most seeds are the O seeds, the chances of you buying those are very low. Even if you did buy some, most of them in the same container would be the O ones. I read it somewhere, but I forgot where......
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Taharka
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bukujutsu said: Is it possible to sprout poppies in fresh or aged poo? I have some old chicken and dove poo and might try this. Should the poo be ground up and hydrated to field capacity?
I would definitely not sprout seeds in poo, or fertilize the seeds as the first poster asked about. You could burn them, and besides, poppies thrive in poor soil.
Would it be cost-effective to develop a modified strain of somniferum without opium, especially when 99.9% of people have no idea that these are the opium poppy? I'm sure McCormick is too busy selecting for seed production to worry about alkaloid levels.
Edited by Taharka (03/09/07 11:19 PM)
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