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Concealed carry laws and permits
#6557087 - 02/12/07 02:28 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a carry permit, but I often think about if I am weakening the second amendment by having a carry permit. Isn't having to get a concealed carry permit against the 2nd amendment?
"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
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Re: Concealed carry laws and permits [Re: z@z.com]
#6557185 - 02/12/07 05:00 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Does a permit "infringe" upon your ability to bear arms? Are the rights of the people the same as the rights of the individual? In other words, when it mentions the "right of the people" is it speaking towards a state militia or national guard rather than an individual? If the intent of the ammendment is to allow individuals to carry arms to disuade the government from going against the people, then why can I not keep military weapons (.50 cal, fully auto rifles, missles, explosives, etc)?
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Re: Concealed carry laws and permits [Re: Seuss]
#6557409 - 02/12/07 08:30 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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The intentions of our forefathers vs the intentions of the modern govt are far different. Back then, the people were the military. Also, in the eyes of our forefathers, the people should be able to defend themselves against the govt. One of the reasons that a popular or mass movement of the american peoples to change our govt back to what its origins were scares me so much is the fact that the peoples in america would not be able to defend against a tyrannical govt. They by far have the weapons. We have shit. As I watched in a video training done by the FBI, our own forefathers were referred to as terrorists. If this is how the current govt views our forefathers, then couldn't a popular movement be viewed as a terrorist movement?
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Re: Concealed carry laws and permits [Re: z@z.com]
#6558744 - 02/12/07 03:30 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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do you need a permit to speak freely or publish a newspaper? to worship freely? to refuse an unreasonable search? do you need a permit to have a speedy and public trial by jury?
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Re: Concealed carry laws and permits [Re: wilshire]
#6558953 - 02/12/07 04:30 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ah, but the permit is only to conceal, not to carry. (I hope! ... otherwise, I have no side to debate.)
(Also, I was putting out various ideas in my first post. I was not advocating a position.)
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Re: Concealed carry laws and permits [Re: Seuss]
#6559653 - 02/12/07 06:32 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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it varies from state to state. in georgia, where z@z is from if i remember correctly:
"You can open carry a handgun/pistol/revolver without a permit: (open manner and fully exposed to view means for all to see, you need to have more than just the grip in view)
* In the home you own/rent/lease or place of business you own/rent/lease * while legally hunting or fishing with a valid hunting or fishing license (license not needed for persons not required by law to have hunting licenses) on their person and with the permission of the owner of the land * while sport shooting when the persons have the permission of the owner of the land on which the activities are being conducted"
http://www.packing.org/state/georgia/
and you need a permit to carry concealed.
in some states you may only carry concealed - exposing a weapon, even accidentally, is treated the same way as brandishing one. but in a number of states it's just as you described - anyone who is legally permitted to own a handgun may carry one openly, but a permit is required if it is to be concealed. however, open carry is de facto illegal in many areas because police will do everything within their power to make your life difficult if you choose to do that (stop you for disturbing the peace, disorderly conduct, etc.)
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Re: Concealed carry laws and permits [Re: wilshire]
#6565543 - 02/14/07 02:17 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
wilshire said: it varies from state to state. in georgia, where z@z is from if i remember correctly:
"You can open carry a handgun/pistol/revolver without a permit: (open manner and fully exposed to view means for all to see, you need to have more than just the grip in view) ....however, open carry is de facto illegal in many areas because police will do everything within their power to make your life difficult if you choose to do that (stop you for disturbing the peace, disorderly conduct, etc.)
Exactly. I was once arrested (though not convicted or charged) for disturbing the peace by carrying an unconcealed weapon.Trust me when I say that 12 hours in jail is an infringement on my right to keep and bear arms.
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Re: Concealed carry laws and permits [Re: z@z.com]
#6566250 - 02/14/07 10:40 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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Honestly, open carry doesn't make much sense to me. What do you do if you walk into a bank, lol.
In Canada, where I am from, we are allowed to carry knives with a blade under 3 inches I believe. So just get your concealed permit and be happy.
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Re: Concealed carry laws and permits [Re: Hank, FTW]
#6596240 - 02/22/07 12:15 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hank, FTW said: Honestly, open carry doesn't make much sense to me. What do you do if you walk into a bank, lol.
In Canada, where I am from, we are allowed to carry knives with a blade under 3 inches I believe. So just get your concealed permit and be happy.
You don't have a second amendment.
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