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Mutations
    #6535667 - 02/06/07 12:23 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe you old hands have experience with this one.
Caused by using 10% chlorine solution maybe?

Is there anything else that can cause this since it's the only chemical I used to clean my terrarium and hydro rocks before fruiting stage. I also have other trays from the same syringe in another terrarium and fruits are fine there.

I think it might be the hydro rocks that wasn't rinsed well enough and while fruiting started they evaporated small amounts in the air.

I changed the rocks and rinsed the terrarium but can this still occur in a second flush if it was the chlorine causing this?

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Re: Mutations [Re: Abortfungi]
    #6535749 - 02/06/07 01:07 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

i had the john allen strain and that thing mutaed like a bitch with no chemicals.

lysol or petrolium based products mutate mushies. they are still good to eat but potency has become unstable IMO. that just means the potency varies greatly from mushie to mushie

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Re: Mutations [Re: thenewguy05]
    #6535801 - 02/06/07 01:34 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

"lysol or petrolium based products mutate mushies."

How?

Regardless, I have a B+ isolate that fruits mutants like that all the time. The multispore I started with didn't. I think it is just genetics.


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Re: Mutations [Re: faceyneck]
    #6535849 - 02/06/07 01:59 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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"lysol or petrolium based products mutate mushies."

How?


it's an enviromental mutation caused by exposure to petrolium based cleaning products like lysol. it's a proven fact it happes.

[url=http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4503821#4503821]check here
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and here
it's not debated, it happens. i had a john allen strain(like your b+) that was naturally unstable and mutate but that's a genetic mutation, not an environmental.

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Re: Mutations [Re: thenewguy05]
    #6535862 - 02/06/07 02:07 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

All I saw was a post with another guy saying the same thing you're saying.

Anyway, I just don't see why it would cause mutation.

I have an isolated B+ strain that fruits mutants extremely frequently, and I have isolates for both PE and GT that don't, and I use Lysol all the time. I often grow them in the same tub, cleaned with Lysol, so I don't see why one strain would be susceptible to the exposure to Lysol, and the other two wouldn't. It seems it would be genetics, not Lysol.


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Re: Mutations [Re: Abortfungi]
    #6535874 - 02/06/07 02:15 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It could simply be an isolate that is more prone to environmental mutations no matter how slight.

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Re: Mutations [Re: MajorDick]
    #6535904 - 02/06/07 02:43 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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It could simply be an isolate that is more prone to environmental mutations no matter how slight.




I think this is it. But how can it be possible to have same type of mutations(or at least visually same) in half the trays when they all come from the same syringe?


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Re: Mutations [Re: Abortfungi]
    #6535907 - 02/06/07 02:47 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

substrains develope from different spores mating and reprodcing into mycelium.

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Re: Mutations [Re: Abortfungi]
    #6535929 - 02/06/07 03:08 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I'd think that if mutations occur consistently from a common spore solution that it is purely environmental. It would have to be a really f'd up gene pool to be genetic mutations from multi-spore. And with something that produces half a trillion spores per fruit thats highly unlikely.

If the mutations are always exactly the same it kinda leaves the possibilities open. Could very well be genetics, but also a constant in the environment, or possibly something in the substrate/water/casing. The last one is kind of a big maybe.

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Re: Mutations [Re: Abortfungi]
    #6535936 - 02/06/07 03:13 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Oh I see what you're saying...

Two identical trays from the same MS in the same conditions; one mutates, and one does not.
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..dunno. I find it unlikely. That would be weird.

Edit:
Oh shit that IS what it is. (pothead)


You say the mutes are in a separate FC from the norms, eh?
Same preparations of everything?
...weird
Musta been the chlorine, I guess.
Couldn't tell ya if the next flush would mutate or not.

Edited by MajorDick (02/06/07 03:19 AM)

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Re: Mutations [Re: MajorDick]
    #6536143 - 02/06/07 08:10 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

The next flush will also likely produce mutants.

Lysol can and does produce mutations. It doesn't every time, but it can and will if it's used often enough, especially if the cakes or trays are placed in proximity of it while it's evaporating and its gases are still present.

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Re: Mutations [Re: MajorDick]
    #6536146 - 02/06/07 08:13 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

This is getting even weirder. Not that those fruits with 3 feet are weird but I noticed that there's also fruits growing like screlotia on top of the casing. Like big yellowish shroom mass with no sings of a cap and they're getting bigger and look healthy. Now, if these are going to get big, I have to clone some of this tissue and hope for the best. It does not look like a mushroom at all.


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Re: Mutations [Re: Abortfungi]
    #6536266 - 02/06/07 09:15 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)



Look anything like that?

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Re: Mutations [Re: Sillicybin]
    #6536588 - 02/06/07 11:50 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

I had that happen to a Puerto Rican strain I got from THE.

If you search for "Puerto Rican Cauliflower" on here you'll see what happened to me.

The shrooms even had dark caps like that, and never dropped spores.


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Re: Mutations [Re: faceyneck]
    #6536841 - 02/06/07 01:12 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I had something very similar happen to my first casing also!
Puerto Rican Multi-spore > coir.
Big stem tissue looking chunk formed over two days, and on the third ERUPTED in pins all over the casing and a shit load ON the 'chunk'. By the next day the shrooms were close to harvest-time.

There were no petroleum chemicals used AT ALL!

Perhaps some strains/sub-strains are prone to mutations caused by less-than-common bacteria or mold?

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Re: Mutations [Re: Sillicybin]
    #6536898 - 02/06/07 01:37 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Look anything like that?




Yuk!
Not yet, I hope it never will.
Mine are lot smaller and creamcoffee colored like the stem mass. They are not forming that heavily either, just some here and there.
There's also some healthy pins there, so I strongly believe that they are influenced by some bacteria.


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Re: Mutations [Re: Abortfungi]
    #6536911 - 02/06/07 01:42 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Mine are lot smaller and creamcoffee colored like the stem mass. They are not forming that heavily either, just some here and there.




What's funny, is this happened to me just the other day. I ended up pulling on one, just to find out that it was a pin that was growing BACKWARDS. It was actually tunneling DOWN through the mycelium and colonized substrate! It had an immature cap on it and everything.

I haven't looked at this tray since I pulled that one out, but that was definitely a first for me.

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Re: Mutations [Re: Sillicybin]
    #6537061 - 02/06/07 02:52 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I've also had few pins going down through the mycelium with my first cakes. hmmmmm.... It actually was this same strain, mexico and these spores are taken from a print of those exact fruits back then. There can be a connection in genes there.

I have to inspect this one when they're ready for harvest.


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Re: Mutations [Re: Abortfungi]
    #6537111 - 02/06/07 03:11 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Mutants!

I think the verdict on these was bleach mutation.  I also use tons of 1:10 bleach water.  The person who ate them now has down syndrome.

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Re: Mutations [Re: Terillius]
    #6542733 - 02/07/07 11:25 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Mutants!

I think the verdict on these was bleach mutation.  I also use tons of 1:10 bleach water.  The person who ate them now has down syndrome.

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You're not serious, are ya?
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