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Drugs are Baaaad ?
    #6477666 - 01/19/07 06:12 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Been talking to a mate,,, i'm trying to explain the benefits of chemicals.. He's saying that any sort drug taking is bad (fun but bad),,, because the reasons that people take them are not so good..

I think he thinks people who use drugs are trying to hide from something...

Which is true in many respects but he's applying this to everyone..

He's wondering why people who seem to be using drugs for personal progression,,,,, suddenly stop using them when they have kids/companionship,, or at least adjust their ways significantly,, if it's all beneficial in the long run..

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Re: Drugs are Baaaad ? [Re: Mike_yy]
    #6477705 - 01/19/07 06:23 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Because of the way our society views drug use.


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Re: Drugs are Baaaad ? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #6477730 - 01/19/07 06:34 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Understood, We know that society thinks that,,but i doubt that's the reason why people change...

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Re: Drugs are Baaaad ? [Re: Mike_yy]
    #6477744 - 01/19/07 06:38 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

idk.. drug use for me has always been my own kind of "reality break".. a way for me to reflect and just take time out from my normal life.


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Re: Drugs are Baaaad ? [Re: Mike_yy]
    #6477749 - 01/19/07 06:40 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Why do you doubt that?

If I had a kid going to public school, I wouldn't do peyote in front of him/her. Simply because the child will not know that those kinds of things can be spoken about in public. And if it ever did slip out, set aside any possible legal troubles, the child's head would likely be fed all kinds of propaganda about drug use and told that their father is some kind of drug addict or something.

If this was a society accepting of psychedelic discovery, my action in this manner would be totally different.


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Re: Drugs are Baaaad ? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #6477765 - 01/19/07 06:50 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

without any question, i would def conceal my drug use from my kids.. atleast until a certain point.. probably once they were atleast 17-18.. and depending how the maturity and other characteristics of the kids..

i mean, my friend KC he actually trips with his mother.. i am extremely envious of the open relationship they have..


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Re: Drugs are Baaaad ? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #6477771 - 01/19/07 06:52 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I think the reasons people stop taking drugs is a personal thing,,, bourne from their own feelings...

I don't think you'd want your kids using drugs,,, even if society said it was ok... I don't think they need them.

You'd know it's not right,, in a sense..

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Re: Drugs are Baaaad ? [Re: Mike_yy]
    #6477772 - 01/19/07 06:53 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

yes drugs are bad but alcohol is okay, because it is legal...
I have heard that from an ex-girlfriend...alcohol is just as bad, and sometimes worse then any drug anyway.
Besides alcohol is a drug, it gets you intoxicated, so yea it is a drug too.

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Re: Drugs are Baaaad ? [Re: Banez]
    #6477781 - 01/19/07 06:56 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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i mean, my friend KC he actually trips with his mother.. i am extremely envious of the open relationship they have..




I get that man,, def...

Whether it's good or not is a difference in opinion.. Hence this whole argument..

I think it is...

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Re: Drugs are Baaaad ? [Re: Mike_yy]
    #6477795 - 01/19/07 07:03 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

It could have something to do with accepting the roles of becoming a parent. Monkey see monkey do. If you continue drug use openly, the little monkies will take to it. Most people quit so they don't lead their kids in the 'wrong' path. They more than likely do it once in a blue moon with close friends if they still have the influence.

Companionship = values. Consider yourself whipped to have to quit something you enjoyed so much just to respect the values of your companion. Compromise!

The first time someone uses a substance it is more than likely in good fun. But like any overblown hobby, it can definately lead to escapism. You should try working at a casino for a few months. You'll see it.


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Re: Drugs are Baaaad ? [Re: Horse_Meister]
    #6477979 - 01/19/07 08:03 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, my mother spent years preaching that drugs were bad.. as does the media.. although some of the "anti-drug" commerials, are starting to look like pro-legalization ads.

but she thinks that drinking is OK, but smoking marijuana isnt.. i dont get it at all.. i think alcohol is far more dangerous than marijuana is.

i def wouldnt expose my children to drugs at a young age.. but i would be open with them once they got old enough to make their own educated decisions.


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Re: Drugs are Baaaad ? [Re: Mike_yy]
    #6477981 - 01/19/07 08:03 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I think your friend is making the mistake of lumping all psychoactives under the blanket term "drugs".

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I think he thinks people who use drugs are trying to hide from something...




This may be true for some drugs, such as opiates and benzos, but pretty much the opposite is true for psychedelics. Anyone who goes into a psychedelic trip with the intention of escaping or "hiding" from a part of themselves is going to be in for a rough ride.

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He's wondering why people who seem to be using drugs for personal progression,,,,, suddenly stop using them when they have kids/companionship,, or at least adjust their ways significantly,, if it's all beneficial in the long run..




Well, I don't know about that. Psychedelics have really helped me in respect to my relationships with other people. I'm not in a relationship now, but for the 3 years that I was my girlfriend and I enjoyed many psychedelic experiences together, and it helped us understand ourselves and each other on a deeper level, and ultimately helped us realize why our relationship had to end(?) when it did.

Simply having kids wouldn't stop me from tripping, and I would hope that I would bring them up in such a way that they were open minded about such things.


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Re: Drugs are Baaaad ? [Re: Revelation]
    #6477988 - 01/19/07 08:06 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

yeah.. i have always enjoyed tripping with gf's its def a learning experience.. you learn a lot about eachother

and funny you mention psychedelic use when you have children, i was thinking about that very thing when i was tripping.. i dont know if i could do it.. it would be wierd to try to trip and raise a child.. itd be like telling your kid not to steal, and then you shoplift.. idk if i could do it.


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Re: Drugs are Baaaad ? [Re: Banez]
    #6477993 - 01/19/07 08:08 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

drugs are good.... narrow minded idealogues are baaad


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Re: Drugs are Baaaad ? [Re: Banez]
    #6477997 - 01/19/07 08:10 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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but she thinks that drinking is OK, but smoking marijuana isnt.. i dont get it at all.. i think alcohol is far more dangerous than marijuana is.





I never understood that mindset. Just because it's legal doesn't make it any better.

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Re: Drugs are Baaaad ? [Re: Infrared]
    #6477999 - 01/19/07 08:11 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

but i dont think any parent wants their children doing drugs.. atleast not until a certain point... i mean i would be fine with my 18 year old smoking pot, as long as we had an open relationship and he was able to control his drug use and be responsible.


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Re: Drugs are Baaaad ? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #6478000 - 01/19/07 08:12 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

my ma actually understood that.. i just told her straight up when i was young that i smoked bud.. she didnt really care.. she knew alcohol was far more dangerous and destructive


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Re: Drugs are Baaaad ? [Re: Infrared]
    #6478007 - 01/19/07 08:14 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

i tried to explain that numerous times.. my mom is also born and raised in England, i think that plays a huge role in it..

I think parents who actually grew up in america during the 70's are much more open minded than others.


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Re: Drugs are Baaaad ? [Re: Infrared]
    #6478013 - 01/19/07 08:15 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Your mom is a smart lady.:thumbup:

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Re: Drugs are Baaaad ? [Re: Banez]
    #6478014 - 01/19/07 08:15 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

When my mom got over the fact that she couldn't control what I was putting into my body, she told me very straight up that she'd much rather me stay home and smoke than go out and drink (or just smoke instead of drink in general).

Now that she's giving me Aldous Huxley books and having conversations with me about true conciousness, I'm beginning to get suspicious.


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