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Mex A on rye pissing me off
    #6459326 - 01/14/07 04:50 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Well it's been almost 4 months since inoculation, and I just cracked a jar to clone some sclerotia, only to find none in the jar.

It's just a mess of half-digested goopy rye kernels and thick leathery mycelium (not fluffy at all). The masses I thought might be sclerotia were just thick, tan-coloured mycelium, no solid masses.

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Re: Mex A on rye pissing me off [Re: Hypercube]
    #6459569 - 01/14/07 06:07 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Probably bacteria. You should be able to see sclerotia forming within a week of full colonization. I usually harvest within six to eight weeks.
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Re: Mex A on rye pissing me off [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6460050 - 01/14/07 07:46 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

With the exception of having to hide your grow under your bed like an inmate or a teenager can someone please explain to me the appeal of growing a sclerotia producing species again,I mean if I remember correctly it has a nice nutty flavor and takes MONTHS to grow :imslow:

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Re: Mex A on rye pissing me off [Re: Blutjager]
    #6460068 - 01/14/07 07:48 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

They seem kinda cool to me :shrug:

And I hear good things about the mexicana fruits.


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Re: Mex A on rye pissing me off [Re: Blutjager]
    #6460222 - 01/14/07 08:23 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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With the exception of having to hide your grow under your bed like an inmate or a teenager can someone please explain to me the appeal of growing a sclerotia producing species again,I mean if I remember correctly it has a nice nutty flavor and takes MONTHS to grow :imslow:



Try about 3 dry ozs from one jar. :cool:


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Re: Mex A on rye pissing me off [Re: Brainiac]
    #6460256 - 01/14/07 08:30 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Damnit.
/me goes to dump my other mex jars to see if i can find at least ONE ROCK, haha


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Re: Mex A on rye pissing me off [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6460293 - 01/14/07 08:39 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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You should be able to see sclerotia forming within a week of full colonization.






That is about 10 days after 100%


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Re: Mex A on rye pissing me off [Re: Hypercube]
    #6460332 - 01/14/07 08:52 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Well, all the jars turned out to be like that. I'm betting it was bacteria because they smelled like burned bread...deep earthy smell, not mushroomy at all.

Ah well.
Anybody got a Mex A print for trade?

EDIT: babo911, is that RGS or berries?


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Re: Mex A on rye pissing me off [Re: Brainiac]
    #6460356 - 01/14/07 08:59 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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With the exception of having to hide your grow under your bed like an inmate or a teenager can someone please explain to me the appeal of growing a sclerotia producing species again,I mean if I remember correctly it has a nice nutty flavor and takes MONTHS to grow :imslow:



Try about 3 dry ozs from one jar. :cool: 




Thank you  :thumbup:

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Re: Mex A on rye pissing me off [Re: Hypercube]
    #6460419 - 01/14/07 09:25 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Well, all the jars turned out to be like that. I'm betting it was bacteria because they smelled like burned bread...deep earthy smell, not mushroomy at all.

Ah well.
Anybody got a Mex A print for trade?

EDIT: babo911, is that RGS or berries?




Berries, Atlantis strain


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Re: Mex A on rye pissing me off [Re: Babo911]
    #6460571 - 01/14/07 10:16 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Mex a is my personal favorite. It takes two months from inoculation to harvest, and I routinely get half a quart jar of sclerotia from each quart of rye berries. In addition, mexicana is a very spiritual experience, mellow, with none of the speedy-hyper stuff that comes with cubes. I have also never been nauseated after eating sclerotia.
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Re: Mex A on rye pissing me off [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6461359 - 01/15/07 07:02 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

RR, what kind of moisture content and temperature do you prefer for Mex A on rye?

Reason I ask, is because I like to keep my kernels a little on the wet side - my cubensis jars have always thrived when the kernels glimmer as opposed to looking dry. The room got warm after the spores germinated, and the jars incubated in the low 80s for a few days, at which point they sweat quite a bit, but (to my eye) recovered soon after at lower temperatures. How do I account for all of my jars succumbing to the same bacteria? Also, what bacteria might this have been?

Sorry to play inquisitor....just don't want this to happen again.


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Re: Mex A on rye pissing me off [Re: Hypercube]
    #6461496 - 01/15/07 08:23 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

You want the grains dry for sclerotia. In fact, that's the reason rye grass seed became the old standard. It holds far less water. When the mycelium senses it's running out of moisture, the survival mechanism of sclerotia production kicks into gear.

If you make your grains too wet, they often get taken over by bacteria no matter how clean you are. Remember, sterilization is never complete. It would take 24 hours or more at 15 psi to completely sterilize a jar of grain, but that would turn it to mush and make it unusable. Therefore, it's important to make sure our jars get colonized as soon as possible.

High temperatures also stimulate bacteria, so I incubate everything at normal room temperature. Search around for my rye grain tek. I've typed it out a bunch of times. It will work great for grain spawn or sclerotia. The key is to have the kernels double the original dry size, while totally dry feeling and looking on the surface. A tablespoon of rye ready to load into jars should not leave a wet spot on a sheet of toilet paper, if left there for 15 seconds. However you go about getting the above will work.

Coffee seems to stimulate sclerotia production, so use 1/2 drinking strength coffee to hydrate your grains. Add a tablespoon of gypsum to each 3 gallons of soak water, or if you prefer, add a pinch between your thumb and forefinger to each jar.
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Re: Mex A on rye pissing me off [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6461657 - 01/15/07 09:45 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

>the reason rye grass seed became the old standard. It holds far less water.

How do you mean less water?
I am using 100 g rye grass seed and 150 g water in a 720 ml jar, or 150 g rye and 160 g water.
Clearly, the rye grass seed can hold more water without going to mush, than rye,

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Re: Mex A on rye pissing me off [Re: Anno]
    #6461728 - 01/15/07 10:19 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

How much is that by volume Anno? I use 300ml rye grass seed and 150ml water, and it comes out about right. I definitely get more water into rye berries without them being wet on the surface.
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Re: Mex A on rye pissing me off [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6461766 - 01/15/07 10:35 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

100 g is about 300 ml.

>I definitely get more water into rye berries without them being wet on the surface.

Are you sure? You add more than 150 g water to 100 g of rye without it turning to mush?

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Re: Mex A on rye pissing me off [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6461774 - 01/15/07 10:38 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I have found that a few of my jars seem to get this caramelized goo for a lack of a better words.

I also see some what looks like metabolite solution in the jars.

This is after a 24 hr soak and a 30 min simmer.

When I just soak it doesn't seem to be as noticeable.

How do you control your water content RR? Soak or water to rye ratio then PC?


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Re: Mex A on rye pissing me off [Re: Babo911]
    #6461865 - 01/15/07 11:31 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, definitely I get more water into a jar of rye berries than the same size jar of grass seed.

With rye berries, I use 1 cup(240 ml) of water and one cup of dry grains per quart jar. With rye grass seed, I use 1 1/4 cups(300 ml) of grass seed and 5/8 cup(150 ml) of water.

Three of the biggest keys to success with rye berries are rinsing the dry grains first to remove the dust and chaff, slow hydration by soaking in warm water(I begin the soak with hot tap water), and making sure the exterior of the grains are dry when loaded into jars. The only reason I bring the soaked grains to a boil is to get them hot before draining. The steaming grains evaporate the moisture off their surface, leaving them dry on the outside, while still nice and plump from all the moisture inside. One could just use a towel to dry off the surface of the rye after soaking, but letting it steam the moisture off is easier in my experience. While the hot grains are in the collander steaming and draining, it gives me a few minutes to get my jars and lids/filters ready to go.
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Re: Mex A on rye pissing me off [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6461910 - 01/15/07 11:49 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry but this confuses me about how you do this so I will reiterate what you said.

First you rince the rye berries to get off the dust and chaff.

Then you soak the grains in hot deluted coffie / tap water (how long)

Then bring to a boil and dump them into the colander so they can steam dry.

Am I correct this is how you do your rye grains? Sorry I am a little dense some times  :confused:


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Re: Mex A on rye pissing me off [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6461918 - 01/15/07 11:50 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

>With rye berries, I use 1 cup(240 ml) of water and one cup of dry grains per quart jar.

I find this somewhat hard to believe, since the above formula gives me a "thick soup" instead of lose kernels.
You hydrate and rinse the rye first, right? Can you weigh the dry rye and the soaked rye before it goes into the jar and determine the relative water content by weighing it?

Kinda like in this post:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Number=866309

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