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Straw question
    #6440960 - 01/09/07 08:40 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

if you want to colonize a bag of straw, say its all sterilized or pasteurized, can you just inject it with an LC?


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Re: Straw question [Re: Cryptix]
    #6440967 - 01/09/07 08:44 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

yes it's possible but slow and hard to do much easier and efficient to do with bulk grain spawn.

you are a pretty good cultivator if you can do it, I've tried and failed.

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Re: Straw question [Re: rawtoxic]
    #6441449 - 01/09/07 11:48 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I've never seen straw inoculated by LC and live to fruit. Straw only gives you ten days to two weeks to get it fully colonized or it will contaminate. You can't colonize a straw project within two weeks using LC. Use grains.
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Re: Straw question [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6442847 - 01/09/07 07:14 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

My first (and only) grow with straw (spawned by grain):
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5105513/an/0/page/0

I took a few pics... figured it might help you out to see some.

I definitely agree with the suggestions to use grain, as straw will contam very quickly.

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Re: Straw question [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6442954 - 01/09/07 07:52 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Straw only gives you ten days to two weeks to get it fully colonized or it will contaminate.




Yup yup, the mean green takes control. The longest mine has ever gone w/o the green taking over is 18 days.

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Re: Straw question [Re: HSIHd]
    #6443027 - 01/09/07 08:12 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Straw only gives you ten days to two weeks to get it fully colonized or it will contaminate.




Yup yup, the mean green takes control. The longest mine has ever gone w/o the green taking over is 18 days.




So what would the benefit of using straw be,I mean why use it at all,except for being inexpensive does it have any advantages ??

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Re: Straw question [Re: Blutjager]
    #6443043 - 01/09/07 08:15 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

It's good when using poo. It makes like little tunnles through the poo to let the myc move through and colonize quickly. It is also good for moisture.


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Re: Straw question [Re: Blutjager]
    #6443055 - 01/09/07 08:18 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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So what would the benefit of using straw be,I mean why use it at all,except for being inexpensive does it have any advantages ??



VERY cheap, and very easy to obtain almost anywhere.... a bale, which is easily 50 lbs, will cost $5.

For a long time, there were very few options in the way of easily obtained tried and true bulk substrates besides dung.

Straw does a lot better if you actually compost it, somewhat similar to the way a horse would digest it.

Disadvantages:
- Contaminates fast
- LOADED with mold spores of all types!
- Doesn't stay hydrated well
- Low mass per volume - since the stalks are hollow, you can have two quarts of it and still not have much mass, which lowers yield compared to a more dense bulk sub like dung or coir....

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Re: Straw question [Re: Sillicybin]
    #6443114 - 01/09/07 08:31 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Blutjager said:
So what would the benefit of using straw be,I mean why use it at all,except for being inexpensive does it have any advantages ??




Very prolific first flush. And so far ,IME, the only flush has been the first flush.


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...which lowers yield compared to a more dense bulk sub like dung or coir....



I disagree, the first flush from straw is very dense.

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Re: Straw question [Re: Sillicybin]
    #6443121 - 01/09/07 08:32 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Well I think I will just stick with coir than wont I  :lol:

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Re: Straw question [Re: Sillicybin]
    #6443131 - 01/09/07 08:33 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Straw also releases its energy very fast. You can grow some monsters on straw. The largest cubes I've ever seen were grown on straw. A few growers go for multiple flushes, but I get one and out. I bury them outdoors, and in the summer they produce several more flushes. If you go for multiple flushes with straw, you risk an outbreak of trich.
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Re: Straw question [Re: HSIHd]
    #6444568 - 01/10/07 08:52 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Blutjager said:
So what would the benefit of using straw be,I mean why use it at all,except for being inexpensive does it have any advantages ??




Very prolific first flush. And so far ,IME, the only flush has been the first flush.


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...which lowers yield compared to a more dense bulk sub like dung or coir....



I disagree, the first flush from straw is very dense.




I was referring to the amount you receive over the entire life of the casing...

Yes, you get very good first flush results per the amount of substrate used. But you can get MUCH more over time with a more dense sub that doesn't contam as easily.

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Re: Straw question [Re: Sillicybin]
    #6444868 - 01/10/07 11:13 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

i have a load of straw sitting in front of my house so i think ill just use that, take my chances... i'll have to use grains though, thanks for the info.

oh and the reason i wanted to use straw in the first place is form what RR said, one huge flush..


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Re: Straw question [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6445316 - 01/10/07 01:27 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

After reading your straw tek (an old one on another site) I stuffed a small burlap bag VERY densely with straw, pasteurized+lime, put it in a small clear tub, and threw on some LC I had. This was a few days before christmas.

The LC was made by using a hand mixer on an extra petri agar of equadorian. Some slow white growth is evident from the bits of agar, and I'm finally starting to see some light fuzz that seems to have emanated from one of the best bits of agar. I'm not positive that it's cube mycelia, but I don't see any spores that would indicate mold. Another week and I should be able to distinguish for sure.

Anyway the colonization has been VERY slow. I would speculate that the straw+lime is difficult for the bare mycelia to get a hold on, unless it has another nutrient source (grain) to draw from while it gets to the extraction and/or creates enough enzymes to get the PH where it wants it. In fact, the only mycelia growth I'm seeing seems to be coming from where the agar bits ended up, which would provide some residual nutrients.

My next straw grow will definitely use colonized grain instead.

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