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Nalim
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Rez effect details? Coir or werm?
#6343373 - 12/07/06 04:12 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've read some grow-logs and threads about the rez-effect but cant find any documents/teks that describe it in detail... The tread that made me interested in this is over at mycotopia: http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=10566 I got curious as I use popcorn myself.
What I gather is this: Rez-effect is what I get if i mix grain with werm or coir(preferably coir). Rez-effect makes semi-bulk growing possible without using straw or poo.
What I'd like to know: If I try using rez-effect should I case or should I spawn directly? What does rez stand for?
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Edited by Nast (12/07/06 01:44 PM)
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xaxphaanes
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Re: Rez effect details? [Re: Nalim]
#6343391 - 12/07/06 04:42 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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huh never heard of this rez effect before but i cant tell u that wbs is wwwaaayyy better than popcorn more nutes and is smaller so more innoc points
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Blutjager
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Re: Rez effect details? [Re: xaxphaanes] 1
#6343394 - 12/07/06 04:45 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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xaxphaanes said: huh never heard of this rez effect before but i cant tell u that wbs is wwwaaayyy better than popcorn more nutes and is smaller so more innoc points
And rye is even better than wild bird seed
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Re: Rez effect details? [Re: Blutjager] 1
#6343418 - 12/07/06 05:11 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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yes but the rye is a bitch to get the water content right mine were always to wet with wbs never had any problems
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Blutjager
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Re: Rez effect details? [Re: xaxphaanes]
#6343425 - 12/07/06 05:19 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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xaxphaanes said: yes but the rye is a bitch to get the water content right mine were always to wet with wbs never had any problems
Wow,thats the complete opposite of my experience,that is the same reason I hate wbs,it is almost always too wet for me,either that or I get a million burst kernels at the bottom of the jar that are too starchy to colonize
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Re: Rez effect details? [Re: Blutjager]
#6343430 - 12/07/06 05:24 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Plus for some reason I seem to get a higher contamination rate with wbs as well
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Re: Rez effect details? [Re: Nalim]
#6343468 - 12/07/06 06:02 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nast said: I've read some grow-logs and threads about the rez-effect but cant find any documents/teks that describe it in detail... The tread that made me interested in this is over at mycotopia: http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=10566 I got curious as I use popcorn myself.
What I gather is this: Rez-effect is what I get if i mix grain with werm or coir(preferably coir). Rez-effect makes semi-bulk growing possible without using straw or poo.
What I'd like to know: If I try using rez-effect should I case or should I spawn directly? What does rez stand for?
read the monotub link in my signature, the original tub was done using the rez tek.
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Re: Rez effect details? [Re: Nalim]
#6343758 - 12/07/06 08:56 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nast said: What does rez stand for?
Reservoir.
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Nalim
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Re: Rez effect details? [Re: greenplato]
#6344002 - 12/07/06 10:17 AM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tnx greenplato.
Tnx for the post ohmatic, I probably will try something like your approach but substitute the rye/millet for popcorn..
Haven't decided on how I should spawn it.. perhaps monotub? Or I might try my luck with something like the grow described in mycofiles bulk neglect report... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6343373#6343373
how should I case the sucker? does a 60/40 werm:peat mix have a lot of qualities that could make it preferable to straight werm(the only thing I've previously used for casing)
Also this about coir being better for rez? any input? (changed the treadname)
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Edited by Nast (12/07/06 01:45 PM)
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Nalim
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Re: Rez effect details? [Re: ohmatic]
#6345009 - 12/07/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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BTW, I'll probably transfer spawn to new spawnbags to get an ample amount of colonized popcorn for my grow, got like six spawnbags on the go so perhaps I'll use five of them to do a trial Coir Rez-Effect grow and use the sixth bag to inoculate a bunch of other bags..
Any insight on how many I could do with one bag? I've used somewhere around 900g of popcorn/bag. 100g/bag any good, if i use 1200g(dry) popcorn/new bag?
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Edited by Nast (12/07/06 04:12 PM)
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greenplato
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Re: Rez effect details? [Re: Nalim]
#6345330 - 12/07/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nast said: Also this about coir being better for rez? any input?
Try both and report back. That's your homework.
But seriously, vermiculite has no nutrients and only holds water (your reservoir). When you go with coir, it's like spawning to a bulk substrate and I wouldn't call it a bulk grow and not a "rez" grow anymore. Coir is also great at holding in water but it also seems to have nutrients that the mycelium can break down. Try both, let us know what you think works better. You may get great results off of one or the other or both depending on the other parameters of your grow.
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how should I case the sucker? does a 60/40 werm:peat mix have a lot of qualities that could make it preferable to straight werm(the only thing I've previously used for casing)
One advantage that I have found with using a mixture of peat and and vermiculite is that the peat is a lighter color when it dries out. That way you know if your casing layer is in need of a spray-down. But, if you use peat you have to worry about adjusting your pH with some lime and gypsum or oyster shell flower. So it's a trade-off and up for you to decide what works best for your set-up.
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Nalim
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Re: Rez effect details? [Re: greenplato]
#6345372 - 12/07/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tnx for the post, I think I will try both... Will probably use straight werm as casing for both... think I'll have something of a special setup as a terrarium .. Will post pics when the shit hits the fan!
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Re: Rez effect details? [Re: Nalim]
#6345382 - 12/07/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just don't use coir for the inner reservoir. It will fully colonize, then can't perform its job, which is to wick moisture throughout the cake. RR
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Nalim
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Re: Rez effect details? [Re: Nalim]
#6345478 - 12/07/06 06:48 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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thnx RR,perhaps I could try a 1:1:1 mix of spawn werm and coir?
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greenplato
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Re: Rez effect details? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6345493 - 12/07/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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RR is right, I wasn't thinking. And not very clear.
If you're doing cakes, use verm for your inner rez and for the casing layer.
If you doing some sort of casing, mixing with coir or verm should do well.
If you want cakes like fahtster (from this mycotopia thread ), use verm. If you want to try something like his casings, it's up to you to experiment.
That's my best guess, but there are more experienced people lurking about that will correct me if I'm wrong.
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Nalim
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Re: Rez effect details? [Re: greenplato]
#6345524 - 12/07/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah it was that thread that inspired me to find some info on this kind of growing. I think Hippie3 said that one could use coir and get even better results, but he did mention that it would colonize the coir.
But as I said, perhaps a 1:1:1 mix? I think I read something about this being tried but I haven't seen the results from that grow... Anyone?
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