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Salvia through hookah with ice?
    #6329695 - 12/03/06 08:12 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Hello everyone. I have some salvia leaves (not extract) and my only smoking device is a one man hookah. I smoked a bit the other night and got pretty much nothing. I smoked a couple of bowls in about five hits that I held for about 30 seconds. All I got was some closed eye visuals similar to what you get just before you fall asleep, like the beginning of dreams.

Now I read a trip report some time ago where they used a hookah with ice in the base instead of water. I was wandering if anyone else has tried this or what you think of the idea. I would think that if heat is the main concern, ice should cool it better than water and it wouldn't filter anything out.

Anyways, I might try this out later on this evening. Any suggestions or comments are greatly appreciated.

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Re: Salvia through hookah with ice? [Re: thatsoweird]
    #6329840 - 12/03/06 10:04 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

You don't want to cool the smoke, the actives will remain in the smoking device. Thats why many knowledgeable folk recommend a short straight pipe...


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Re: Salvia through hookah with ice? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #6329841 - 12/03/06 10:07 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

naaaa use it
if the actives stayed then that would be another extraction method that didnt require chemicals
maybe some do but not enough to matter
add ice and some water too

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Re: Salvia through hookah with ice? [Re: cpw1971]
    #6332185 - 12/04/06 06:44 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

LOL


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Re: Salvia through hookah with ice? [Re: cpw1971]
    #6332198 - 12/04/06 06:57 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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cpw1971 said:
naaaa use it
if the actives stayed then that would be another extraction method that didnt require chemicals
maybe some do but not enough to matter
add ice and some water too



you will lose half approximately:

the cooled smoke
and the slower draw
will encourage the salvinorin to
come out of the airstream.
and cling to the tubing.
and some will come out the water
and then cling to the vessel sides.

note, very little or none of it will be vaporized
it will be in the form of heavier than air liquid droplets
in the quickly moving smokey airstream.


if you clean your pipe with acetone
you will get tons, but also lots of contamination.
not a good or specific extraction method at all, but a funny comment
in support of your favorite equipment.


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Re: Salvia through hookah with ice? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6332220 - 12/04/06 07:22 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
the cooled smoke
and the slower draw
will encourage the salvinorin to
come out of the airstream.
and cling to the tubing.
and some will come out the water
and then cling to the vessel sides.




So, would it be better to just use the hookah with no water/ice instead? I'm thinking that would be pretty harsh, wouldn't that make it hard to get a few really big hits?

Thanks
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Re: Salvia through hookah with ice? [Re: thatsoweird]
    #6332276 - 12/04/06 08:29 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Rolling a joint perhaps? Ive smoked salvia foliage joints and it works decent enough... even salvia cigarillos... :crazy2:

Also you can try the "quid" method where you let it rest\soak in your mouth. It lasts a lot longer, a lot of ppl prefer this method. It is also more traditional... :thumbup:

Have fun!! :grin:


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Re: Salvia through hookah with ice? [Re: SDP]
    #6332372 - 12/04/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I had decent effects from a pretty standard bong.


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Re: Salvia through hookah with ice? [Re: thatsoweird]
    #6332384 - 12/04/06 09:55 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

thatsoweird said:
Quote:

redgreenvines said:
the cooled smoke
and the slower draw
will encourage the salvinorin to
come out of the airstream.
and cling to the tubing.
and some will come out the water
and then cling to the vessel sides.




So, would it be better to just use the hookah with no water/ice instead? I'm thinking that would be pretty harsh, wouldn't that make it hard to get a few really big hits?

Thanks
Z




I would prefer a cheap corn cob pipe to a hooka, and poked tinfoil for extract, or fill the bowl for plain foliage.


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Re: Salvia through hookah with ice? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6332404 - 12/04/06 10:06 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, well I only have a hookah, but I might try a joint. Should I mix that with regular rolling tobacco to fill it out?

Thanks for all the help!


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Re: Salvia through hookah with ice? [Re: thatsoweird]
    #6332445 - 12/04/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

no mixing - you need all the volume to be the salvia leaf.
if you make a joint roll it very fat.
smoke it very deliberately and quickly

I would nix the hooka because they are notoriously leaky and you need a strong pull to get the salvinorin into the airborne smoke.


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Re: Salvia through hookah with ice? [Re: thatsoweird]
    #6332947 - 12/04/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Well, I'm no good with joints and my hookah is nice and tight. So I figured I'd try again but with a bit more dried leaves and better hits. Just water again, not too cold etc. I filled the bowl higher than before.

After about three hits something happened. I didn't break through, but I felt this pressure on my chest. I noticed that "they" where building some type of structure and I was, sitting there on the couch, supposed to be the base of one of the massive arches. Only I had to be pressed deeper into the couch for it to work. Unfortunately I laughed at them and after that they left me alone. I felt some pretty weird stuff and I had some visual distortions, but not much. It was so strange thinking with intentions from many many years ago, from people and events when I was a kid. Very hard to explain. And I burnt my thumb trying to get some more out of the leaves that where left.

I'm pretty sure I just need some more leaves in the bowl so I can get a few more big hits in time and I will take off. Any suggestions on how to keep all the leaves that are left in the bowl after the first hit from burning up while I am holding the hit for as long as possible? Seams a lot of matter is lost burning on it's own while I am holding hits...

PS. It was a virgin bowl with a very hard and deep breath that got me the most effects. Very different experience :laugh:

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Re: Salvia through hookah with ice? [Re: thatsoweird]
    #6333017 - 12/04/06 02:03 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

sounds like you got a level 4
you did very nicely with your equipment.


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Re: Salvia through hookah with ice? [Re: thatsoweird]
    #6333085 - 12/04/06 02:23 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I think I might have been close. The thing was I didn't see any of these things I describe. Only a sense that they where going on somehow. You might be right and I just didn't notice/remember it that well.

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Re: Salvia through hookah with ice? [Re: thatsoweird]
    #6333199 - 12/04/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

keep eyes closed then and try to write it down on paper with your eyes closed.


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Re: Salvia through hookah with ice? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6333315 - 12/04/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

If you dont want to waste leaf you can try and smother the bowl with the bottom end of your lighter inbetween hit's?


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Re: Salvia through hookah with ice? [Re: MauiGanjaMonster]
    #6333396 - 12/04/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

salvia is a good one. I normally hit it up straight out of a pipe or from a bong. I get pulled around by gravity, it nearly always drags me to the floor. One time I did this outside on a starry night. Its the most peculiar experience, The heavens 'opened' and tried to pull me in. It was very weird like time stretched out, yet afterwards, I was left with the most profound sense of peace and wellbeing. :grin:

Make a bong, out of hose pipe, a metal cylinder of some kind (Like the bit on a cylindrical lighter) and some tin foil.


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Re: Salvia through hookah with ice? [Re: Cepheus]
    #6333525 - 12/04/06 04:59 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

yeah a small bong would work better than a hookah. The problem with the hookah is the smoke will be stale by the time it gets to your lungs.

a lot of popular smoking apparatus are bogus though...
a gravity bong isnt a real bong and doesnt filter the smoke, just lets it expand in the 2 litre bottle and therefore is stale
a shotgun where someone puts a joint in thier mouth and blows the smoke to you is nasty. Why would people want to inhale others breath in with thier hit?? It doesnt get you any higher lol
sorry just rambling lol

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Re: Salvia through hookah with ice? [Re: SDP]
    #6333547 - 12/04/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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SDP said:
Also you can try the "quid" method where you let it rest\soak in your mouth. It lasts a lot longer, a lot of ppl prefer this method. It is also more traditional... :thumbup:

Have fun!! :grin:


I've never heard of that, you just leave it in your mouth?


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Re: Salvia through hookah with ice? [Re: surf rat]
    #6333738 - 12/04/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

"A quid is a rolled up cylinder of fresh leaves. The quid method traditionally uses fresh Salvia leaves, large ones if available. Rehydrated previously dried leaves can be used if fresh ones are unavailable; there seems to be little loss of strength due to drying and rehydration. The quid method brings about a fine trip that lasts somewhat longer than a smoking trip does. Unlike smoking, the quid method does not damage lungs. Unfortunately the quid method does not work for everyone. And some find the quid method to be unpleasant due to the bitterness of the leaves."


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