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 Cop or not a cop? Who knows? 
#6319383 - 11/29/06 07:34 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Any tips on spotting undercovers? Any trends in speech, actions, dress, etc.? And for that matter, how can you prove to someone else you're not a cop, short of shooting someone? It's risky business.
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Konnrade
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you do realize that there's no good answer to that question, don't you?
Short of actually doing a drug right in front of you, there's nothing a normal person would do that a cop can't... and even that isn't set in stone.
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Schwip
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while a casual undercover will have some standards on how far they can go....
it all depends.
they can and will do anything to gain your trust....and keep themselves from being in harms way or blowing a case
undercovers that are just sort of phishing in clubs will most likely not run to the bathroom with that bag of blow you just sold em and sniff a nice rail.
but an undercover deeply involved in a case sitting in your living room or something is a person trying to front a certain image....
this person will most likey sit and blow that rail you offer him or sniff a sample from that big ass bag you just sold him just to keep up the appearance.
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 Re: Cop or not a cop? Who knows? [Re: Schwip]
#6319501 - 11/29/06 08:38 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Schwip said:
while a casual undercover will have some standards on how far they can go....
it all depends.
they can and will do anything to gain your trust....
Including posting on drug message boards asking for tips on how to spot them...  .
But really, I think you would have to take some drugs. That would be hard to get around, ya know?
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Re: Cop or not a cop? Who knows? [Re: Darkcloud]
#6319508 - 11/29/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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It astounds me the number of people who assume a cop cannot do drugs during the course of an investigation.
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Darkcloud
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Oh really? So, they can't be prosecuted?
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Konnrade
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Quote:
Madtowntripper said:
It astounds me the number of people who assume a cop cannot do drugs during the course of an investigation.
Depends on the severity of the investigation.
I seriously doubt that your usual narc who's just browsing a crowd looking for a mark is going to take things to that extent, like schwip said... but someone who is specifically targeting a person or a few people I could imagine being quite willing to keep up the farce by means of drug use.
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Re: Cop or not a cop? Who knows? [Re: Darkcloud]
#6319518 - 11/29/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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who the hells gonna prosecute em?
the DA?
fuck no!
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Re: Cop or not a cop? Who knows? [Re: Schwip]
#6319521 - 11/29/06 08:43 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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What about a lawsuit?
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Re: Cop or not a cop? Who knows? [Re: Konnrade]
#6319525 - 11/29/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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agreed.
and when you realize that something smells fishy, it will probably already be too late.
  
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cookeman
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I always fealt like an easy way to spot someone that's not a cop is someone with facial piercings or tattoo's. I know they have a certain dress code to keep up and I think getting their eye brow or lips or tongues pierced may be going a little far just to bust someone for drugs.
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Re: Cop or not a cop? Who knows? [Re: cookeman]
#6319549 - 11/29/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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If a cop is a career undercover agent, then you can't expect them to have to fit a certain dress code.
Their whole job is looking like someone who isn't a cop... and there are plenty of intelligent people in charge of undercover operations. You can't expect them to have any easily identifiable way to single them out.
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Re: Cop or not a cop? Who knows? [Re: Konnrade]
#6319560 - 11/29/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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exactly!
and if not an undercover it is not uncommon at all for the police to hire street informants with no affiliation to law.
these poor souls either get blackmailed into the line of work or do it by choice.
its a dog eat fucking dog world in this game. both sides know lots of tricks. but the law side can do the shit, well, legally.
aint that a bitch.
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Re: Cop or not a cop? Who knows? [Re: Schwip]
#6319580 - 11/29/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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"I've got the toughest mob in the world – I'm the law!”
(quote from the motion picture "Running Scared")
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Re: Cop or not a cop? Who knows? [Re: Darkcloud]
#6319585 - 11/29/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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how a lawsuit?
and whos going to file suit? you from jail? your family? what will the charges be?
im sueing Mr. B. Undercoverassfuck for using drugs!
thats unheard of and would be impossible to pull off as far as i can tell.....but im no laywer so who knows.
you or whomever would need some serious cash though. and think of the people who get busted with these undercover tactics whom have the cash to file suit.....
the mafia, the big druglords, other organized crime type people. and yet never been done. 
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Re: Cop or not a cop? Who knows? [Re: Schwip]
#6319599 - 11/29/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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There are all kind of technicalities to entrapment cases. I'm willing to bet that there is a loop hole of some sorts, but it would take a serious defense team to exploit it.
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Re: Cop or not a cop? Who knows? [Re: Schwip]
#6319617 - 11/29/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wikipedia has a good article on entrapment. Here's one of the highlights:
"John De Lorean was arrested in 1982 for selling cocaine to undercover police; in court, De Lorean argued that the police had asked him to sell them the cocaine (and threatened him as a form of coercion). He was found not guilty. De Lorean's attorney stated in Time (March 19, 1984), "This [was] a fictitious crime. Without the government, there would be no crime." The defense of entrapment was unsuccessful in the Abscam operation in which several members of the United States Congress were convicted of accepting bribes."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment
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Re: Cop or not a cop? Who knows? [Re: Darkcloud]
#6319629 - 11/29/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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im sure it happens.
im also sure your average to even above average dealer will not have the resources to win a suit of that nature.
with all the nasty forfeiture laws and shit they got in play now a days plus that whole terrorist spin that can be played on federal charges makes for one tough fucking game 
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Re: Cop or not a cop? Who knows? [Re: Schwip]
#6319673 - 11/29/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is a way to tell if someones a cop in the drug world; drug users have an un-spoken language. This language never directly verbally sets one up, or confronts one or harrasses one. If you do drugs, and are intelligent, there is a strong underlying trust any dealer can easy detect and begin business with you- its called character.
Anyone over-verbal about their wants, needs, or complaints about quality of what they got, wants a refund, etc., is a cop or a narc. The drug world is an independant world with everyone for themselves, and in their own world.
When one pries into that world, its an energy anyone can feel. True drug lovers and non-narcs are aware of the drug code-of-ethics. Narcs are not, because to be aware takes understanding the drug, as well as the mentality one has under the influence. This is possible to learn through simple short-term abuse.
Drug abusers are very close to each other, and through this mysterious way they communicate, they can pick out a narc simply by listening. Its like a mexican talking english perfectly, even though he claims to of grown up in mexico.
The way people fuck up is through greed; greed shadows your natural intuition, and in the drug world it's easy to get greedy.
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Edited by I2ancid (11/29/06 10:37 PM)
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Re: Cop or not a cop? Who knows? [Re: I2ancid]
#6319697 - 11/29/06 09:31 PM (17 years, 4 months ago) |
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you're a towel
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