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Why do they say to use a waterpipe for Salvia?
    #6317938 - 11/29/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I'm just wondering if there's a particular reason they say to use a waterpipe for smoking salvia. Is it (particularly if you're also using a torch lighter) because the smoke can be very hot and/or harsh?

I just tried a pinch of some 15x extract for the first time a few days ago and I cleaned my bong really well before that. So I packed it up but then I realized, while I was already hitting it, that I neglected to put water in it. I basically said "oh well" and continued to pull on it but a while later I started having a bit of a sore throat. Then it got worse the next day.

I started having some major sinus problems last night and ended up staying home from work today. Should I blame my sore throat on smoking the salvia without water or am I more likely just getting sick?

I do have allergies too so the sinus problems could be related to that.

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Re: Why do they say to use a waterpipe for Salvia? [Re: truffleupagus]
    #6319012 - 11/29/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

sounds to me like you're just getting sick. People (including myself) smoke salvia out of dry pipes all the time without complications.

I've got a hella sore throat right now also, and I missed all my classes today. Cheers to us diseased folk! Feel better :smile:

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Re: Why do they say to use a waterpipe for Salvia? [Re: ApJunkie]
    #6319934 - 11/29/06 10:51 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I think you're right. Based on how I'm still feeling now I'm pretty sure I am sick. Got all this chest congestion. Anyway, you feel better too!

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Re: Why do they say to use a waterpipe for Salvia? [Re: truffleupagus]
    #6319953 - 11/29/06 10:59 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

The whole point of water in a bong is to cool the smoke down anyways. The water bong is also better than a pipe because you can build all of the smoke into one instant hit, rather than gradual. Salvia needs to be an instant hit like that. Its rather hard to breakthrough IMO trying to hit it over and over and over, fumbling withe pipe and lighter, burning your lungs, etc...

Just use a WATER bong and torch lighter. :thumbup:


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Re: Why do they say to use a waterpipe for Salvia? [Re: Spire]
    #6319970 - 11/29/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Spire explained it rather well, But regular pipes work to. :wink:


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Re: Why do they say to use a waterpipe for Salvia? [Re: truffleupagus]
    #6320028 - 11/29/06 11:36 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Salvia smoke is quite harsh, so I guess water bong is used to clear it out a bit and help out your lungs. I dunno whether you should blame your sore throat on salvia because quite a few ppl who smoke salvia dont use water pipes.

Maybe you just have a sore throat, maybe salvia smoke was a bit harsh for you. Dont worry about it, just dont forget to fill your bong with water next time.....POTHEAD!  :laugh:

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Re: Why do they say to use a waterpipe for Salvia? [Re: TMshroom]
    #6320082 - 11/30/06 12:01 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Water pipes and torch liters are not needed. You may have burned your throat a bit though....

I personally find weed to be way more harsh on my throat and lungs than salvia.

Salvia doesnt make you sick, but any strange or stressing experience can. It probably was not the best time to have tried it for the first time, even though you probably didnt know you were getting sick at the time.


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Re: Why do they say to use a waterpipe for Salvia? [Re: yageman]
    #6320136 - 11/30/06 12:18 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I make my own 10x usually with methanol and then before it is completely dry "only water content left" and smells like a nice pipe tobacco it is very smooth and potent. It also tastes great this way.

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Re: Why do they say to use a waterpipe for Salvia? [Re: cpw1971]
    #6321194 - 11/30/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

the only three times i smoked it, i used a water bong and didnt break through.

im wondering if i smoked it in a regular pipe, if that would make a difference to me breaking through?

hey, i guess its only worth the shot.


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Re: Why do they say to use a waterpipe for Salvia? [Re: agoutihead]
    #6321311 - 11/30/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

i've never broken through using a bong, but i have with a pipe and torch


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Re: Why do they say to use a waterpipe for Salvia? [Re: foureyes]
    #6321910 - 11/30/06 03:57 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

i broke through using a tin can once, i really dont think it matters what you use


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Re: Why do they say to use a waterpipe for Salvia? [Re: apfrommsp]
    #6322016 - 11/30/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I broke through on the first hit I ever had. 20x, out of a water bong and I was in salvialand. You just have to take a huuuuugggggeeeeee rip. I don't even remember exhaling, it hit me before I got around to it.

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Re: Why do they say to use a waterpipe for Salvia? [Re: Dihnekis]
    #6322182 - 11/30/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

yeah i just torch the stuff annd hold it in as long as possible


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Re: Why do they say to use a waterpipe for Salvia? [Re: apfrommsp]
    #6322208 - 11/30/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

There are many key factors that contribute to a break through.

*A Torch liter is prefered. (Salvorin A supposedly has a higher flashpoint than many other common smoking chemicals, such as THC, and Nicotine. It is not a must, but is certainly a better choice.)
*A water bong can build up more smoke (Actives) for a single hit than a pipe would ever dream of doing. Use it.
*Holding it in for at a minimum of 15 seconds.
*Depending on the extraction (And place from where you purchased from), you need an appropriate dose.

^^^ Those things have never failed for me or any other person I have presented it to. Maybe you guys screwed up during your water bong hits, or your water bong doesnt hold enough smoke. Either way, a water bong is widely considered the best way to smoke Salvia.


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Re: Why do they say to use a waterpipe for Salvia? [Re: Spire]
    #6322307 - 11/30/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

The major reason for water pipes is the cooling effect. Salvia burns at a rather high temperature once its ignited. This leads to very, very harsh, hot smoke. The water pipe cools this. The other nice thing is, as mentioned above, it allows you to build a massive hit. With a lot of extracts these days it isn't so necessary, but if you're like me and cultivate (I don't use extracts), you need a large hit that you can hold in for a long period of time. This would be next to impossible without either a water pipe, or a steamroller that can be frozen. The cooler you can make the smoke, the easier it will be to learn from the diviner's sage.


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Re: Why do they say to use a waterpipe for Salvia? [Re: wiggles]
    #6322671 - 11/30/06 08:07 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

fresh 10x is soooooo smooth. even from a pipe its smoother than regular leaf from a bong by far.
but the flavor is way better as well.
its like the difference between cannabis leaf and nice sticky bud

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Re: Why do they say to use a waterpipe for Salvia? [Re: cpw1971]
    #6322769 - 11/30/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, I think the hit did burn my throat a little but I don't think that's what caused me to get sick. I guess it was just a case of funny timing. I'll definitely be making sure I never again combine torch lighters, salvia and no water though. That just has the potential to be bad it seems.

The amount that I packed in there actually did burn up in 1 hit despite the fact that the pipe was dry. Still, I felt like I had burnt my throat almost immediately so it made me not want to submit to the experience really. I felt like I almost forced myself out of it.

I've still yet to break through myself but when I tried 10x and amanitas my first time ever I felt like I was about as close as you could possibly get without. It seems like 20x is the magic number for seeing salvialand but I've heard people say they did on 10 so I dunno. I guess I'll cross my fingers and hope I can with the rest of my 15.

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Re: Why do they say to use a waterpipe for Salvia? [Re: truffleupagus]
    #6322825 - 11/30/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

the thing is you gotta take like 3 huge hits and hold them. I have made people break through off plain leaf. take a tiny toke first though to get the chem in your system and wait 15 minutes before the real thing. you wouldnt believe how much this helps

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Re: Why do they say to use a waterpipe for Salvia? [Re: cpw1971]
    #6322875 - 11/30/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

I think 2 is the most consecutive hits I've taken off extract so far.

So hey, maybe that's it. Thanks for the advice!

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Re: Why do they say to use a waterpipe for Salvia? - I actually know 'the'/a answer to this one! [Re: truffleupagus]
    #6323057 - 11/30/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Water bongs got a "Buffer" for smoke...
And it cools it for a 'better' smoke..

Cold water even can compress it some...

More smoke inn in one toke = More Salvinorum A in your system = (well you do the math!) :tongue: ...


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