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    #6242920 - 11/03/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

hi all, recently ive been thinkin hard about buying some bulk substrate and i got a question. why wouldnt one buy the pasteurized substrate over the unpasteurized substrate? the main reason i would like to get from a shop online is it can come pre-pasteurized. just gimme your thoughts and ideas

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Re: Online Bulk Substrates [Re: SeaOfGreen]
    #6242960 - 11/03/06 10:02 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Dry substrate is lighter and costs the same as pasteurized. 20lbs of dry substrate will be much heavier and expanded when it's pasteurized. Basically, it's cheaper to buy 20lbs of dry than to buy 30-40lbs of pre-pasteurized. also cheaper shipping

edit: just checked tenn stud and it's actually more expensive for dry. $40 for 20lbs prepasteurized. $60 for dry. So I don't really know why someone would get the dry over the wet.


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Re: Online Bulk Substrates [Re: SeaOfGreen]
    #6242975 - 11/03/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Pre-pasteurized substrate will contain a large amount of water.

unpasteurized substrate is DRY. You will get WAY more substrate if you order it dry rather then pasteurized it's also easier to store it when it's dry. The disadvantage is simple, you have to pasteurize it yourself. But that's is hella easy if you have a stove/oven/hotplate/barbeque..ok anything that will produce the required heat in a safe manner and a large pot.


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Re: Online Bulk Substrates [Re: cookeman]
    #6242988 - 11/03/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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cookeman said:
just checked tenn stud and it's actually more expensive for dry. $40 for 20lbs prepasteurized. $60 for dry. So I don't really know why someone would get the dry over the wet.




Probably because they don't want to pay $2/pound for water.

In addition, manure should be pasteurized immediately before use for best results. I would always recommend ordering it dry if you don't collect your own.
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Re: Online Bulk Substrates [Re: cookeman]
    #6242989 - 11/03/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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cookeman said:
edit: just checked tenn stud and it's actually more expensive for dry. $40 for 20lbs prepasteurized. $60 for dry. So I don't really know why someone would get the dry over the wet.




you had it right before the edit :wink:  even with the price difference, the dry stuff is a better value, you get a lot more poo (in the area of about 70% more - yeah water weighs a lot!) for the weight :thumbup:

you can also store the dry stuff indefinitely, whereas the pre-pasteurized needs to be used relatively quick for best results.

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Re: Online Bulk Substrates [Re: creamcorn]
    #6242993 - 11/03/06 10:11 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

:lol:  That's what happens when we both type at once.
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Re: Online Bulk Substrates [Re: creamcorn]
    #6243038 - 11/03/06 10:25 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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cookeman said:
edit: just checked tenn stud and it's actually more expensive for dry. $40 for 20lbs prepasteurized. $60 for dry. So I don't really know why someone would get the dry over the wet.




you had it right before the edit :wink:  even with the price difference, the dry stuff is a better value, you get a lot more poo (in the area of about 70% more - yeah water weighs a lot!) for the weight :thumbup:

you can also store the dry stuff indefinitely, whereas the pre-pasteurized needs to be used relatively quick for best results.




And you and RR know this from experience , right ?

Not just repeating things you.ve heard ? Or your own believes .? or opinions ?

You've both bought 100 ponds of the pre-pasteurized and spawned 50 pounds immediately , gathered the data and then fruited the other 50 pounds 4 months later and compared the results , right ?

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Re: Online Bulk Substrates [Re: creamcorn]
    #6243046 - 11/03/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, I didn't know water accounted for THAT much. I thought maybe 50% at most. Maybe i'll switch to dry and force myself to learn to pasteurize. It seems like I'd screw pasteurizing up for sure though.


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Re: Online Bulk Substrates [Re: HippieChick]
    #6243056 - 11/03/06 10:32 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I've never bought pre-pasteurized poo because I like to pasteurize right before my use (I'm also cheeeap lol). I like to believe pasteurizing right before use is the safest way to avoid contamination. Particularly unwanted bacteria which left in a sealed plastic bag (anaerobic environment) might flourish. But that's just my theory.

I know your a tennstud user. Ever have contamination problems? Not just after storage but even after the shipping?


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Re: Online Bulk Substrates [Re: cookeman]
    #6243100 - 11/03/06 10:42 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Wow, I didn't know water accounted for THAT much. I thought maybe 50% at most. Maybe i'll switch to dry and force myself to learn to pasteurize. It seems like I'd screw pasteurizing up for sure though.




Pasturization is easy man.

Once you have the poo here is an excellent preparation method by Roadkill.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/723303/an/0/page/5

oven bag tek
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I've also used an oven bag in place of a pillowcase and did the stove top method it works good cause you don't have that messy poo water or any draining to do. The disadvantage is that it takes long to get the center of the poo to the needed temps.

Although the temperature range is really important. I have exceeded 200 a few times and it has always worked out for me.


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Re: Online Bulk Substrates [Re: HippieChick]
    #6243115 - 11/03/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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And you and RR know this from experience , right ?

Not just repeating things you.ve heard ? Or your own believes .? or opinions ?

You've both bought 100 ponds of the pre-pasteurized and spawned 50 pounds immediately , gathered the data and then fruited the other 50 pounds 4 months later and compared the results , right ?

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nono don't get me wrong, don't mean to imply it doesn't last, i know there's lots of reports of folks using it up to 6 months later... but for as many accounts of that happening there's probably as many accounts of strange stuff growing in it in shorter time periods.  lots of variability and chance for sure, also depending on how you store it... when its dry, you take out the chance and its pretty much a sure thing you can store it for longer periods with no ill effects (and should you be in the business of storing poo that long, its also nice that the dry stuff takes up less space :thumbup:)

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Re: Online Bulk Substrates [Re: creamcorn]
    #6243123 - 11/03/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I've never attempted to use pasteurized manure more than two weeks after pasteurization. If it doesn't stink to high heaven by then, it was sterilized, not pasteurized.
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Re: Online Bulk Substrates [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #6245892 - 11/04/06 02:55 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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I've never attempted to use pasteurized manure more than two weeks after pasteurization.  If it doesn't stink to high heaven by then, it was sterilized, not pasteurized.
RR




LOL, true dat :thumbup:

I always wondered.

Because peeps talk about storing pre-pasteurized tenn/stud h/poo that came in filter/patch spawn bags, in all sorts of environments, for months (sometimes) before use (even R/K, if my recollection serves me right).

This I know. If it was just pasteurized & stored at room temps (65 / 75F), there would be visibly active microbial activity, and corresponding odor in a week or 2. :confused:



I have dealt with TONS

of h/poo...compost, bulk substrate combo's, etc.

About the only way you can stop microbial activity in those, is to dehydrate it to under 15% moisture.


By no means am I spoofing tenn/stud. It's GOOD SHIT...  :thumbup:, so say peep's who's word I trust.


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Re: Online Bulk Substrates [Re: agar]
    #6247151 - 11/04/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

agar, you still thinking about selling that myconitro?


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Re: Online Bulk Substrates [Re: Birthbytongue]
    #6247585 - 11/04/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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agar, you still thinking about selling that myconitro?




Sadly, those thoughts are on HOLD until some personal health issues are resolved.


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Re: Online Bulk Substrates [Re: agar]
    #6247807 - 11/04/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Hello all,

There is a herd of wild horses near by. I can simply go scoop up some fresh poo. Is this a viable option to purchasing poo?

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Re: Online Bulk Substrates [Re: montashrooma]
    #6247833 - 11/04/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

You don't want fresh poo. you want aged - weathered poo. If you can get that... yes, go get it.


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Re: Online Bulk Substrates [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #6248028 - 11/04/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I gonna be trying a grow soon with a bag of pre-pasterized tenn stud that was bought anywhere from 4-6 months ago. It still smells and looks the same as it did when I firt got it. I will ofcourse post my results.

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Re: Online Bulk Substrates [Re: FungusMan]
    #6248117 - 11/04/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

WOW I've got a lot to think about right now i mean this is a heavy weight on my shoulders i need to go envelop on the query's at hand


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Re: Online Bulk Substrates [Re: agar]
    #6248830 - 11/04/06 11:59 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Birthbytongue said:
agar, you still thinking about selling that myconitro?




Sadly, those thoughts are on HOLD until some personal health issues are resolved.




Good to see you around again agar, I hope whatever health issues you face are beaten hastily. :thumbup:

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