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First grow (mazatapec on PF cakes)- grow logs and pics *UPDATE 11-3-06*
    #6226348 - 10/30/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

    After many months of reading and re-reading and researching, my friend decided to try his hand at shroom cultivation.  As a first try he figured he'd go with PF-style cakes, as there was a LOT of info out there and it seemed pretty idiot proof.  Unfortunately, he didnt have access to a camera until just now, so there are no pics of the beginng stages of the grow (not that we haven't all seen a million pics of jars with mycellia in them). 
   
    On or around sept. 20th, a dozen 1/2 pint jars were inoculated with Mazatapec strain P. Cubensis.  The PF max yield BRF/Verm mix was used.  The jars seemed slow to colonize (which seems to be common with maz.).  As my friend works in a pharmaceuticals lab with sterile drug products, human blood, IV solutions, etc. maintaining sterility and such was not much of a problem (no contams to this point).
     
    The first six jars to colonize were birthed, dunked for 24 hours (no cold shocking, this is a stealth grow and his roomates would not be too excited to learn what he was doing, so cakes in a fridge were not an option).  One cake was sacrificed in an attempt at an outdoor grow.  Remaining 5 cakes were rolled in verm, placed in an upside-down lid filled with moist verm, with a layer of moist verm. placed on top (double-end style) and placed in a fruiting chamber on the 19th of Oct.  for his FC he is using a small rubbermade type container filled with perlite.  The weather here cooperated fully: during the incubation period, the ambient temps were in the mid to upper 80's, and right at birthing time we got our first cold snap and the temps chilled down to the mid 70's just in time for fruiting, so no heating device or TIT was needed.

    First pins were noticed on the 27th.  He has been fanning as often as he can (work and sleep tend to interfere) and since ambient temps and humidity levels are damn near perfect for fruiting anyway (mid 70's, VERY high humidity), has occaisionally left a corner of the lid propped open to encourage FAE.  He misted with every fanning, using a MISTO brand pump-up aerosol sprayer, until the pins started to mature, at which point he stopped (he read in a few posts/teks that moisture directly on the pins can cause aborts).

When he can pull pics off his digital camera, he will send them to me to post here, probably later tonight. 

Any comments on his techniques so far would be very welcome, especially criticisms or corrections: the only way to learn is to discover one's mistakes.  Of course, any compliments would be welcome too :tongue2:

his question(s) are such:

1)The pins he is seeing now dont look like the "classic" pins he has seen pictures of.  His have no reddish head on them.  You can see a head, or cap type structure like in all the pother pictures he's seen, but it is plain white, like the rest of the pin.  Is this something to be concerned about, or just a variation in the particular strain he is growing?

2)With pins being established very well over the entire cake, approx. what percentage of them will form viable carpophores (mushies) and how many will abort? Or is this impossible to estimate due to too many factors being involved?

3)The larger of the pins are now about the size of a grain of rice, maybe slightly larger.  What sort of time-frame is he looking at for them to mature fully to harvest time (keeping in mind the rest of the grow seems to have taken longer than usual, again likely due to the mazatapec strain)?

4) Since he will be out of town the entire week of thanksgiving, and his roomates would think it suspicious if I dropped by a few times every day with him gone to perform maintanance on his setup, is there any problem with leaving the remaining 6 jars (which are now all, or almost all the way colonized) sitting in a dark cool corner for a week or two until he can clear out his FC of the old cakes?  His FC is only large enough to hold 5 or 6 cakes.


Depending on his results with these first 5 cakes, he is considering using the remianing 6 jars to make a casing.  Most of his research has been into cakes, but he has done some reading on casing teks.  If anyone has any personal reccomendations as far as good tips or good teks for a first-time case-er, they would be appreciated. 

Lastly, thanks for reading such a long post, and thanks to all of shroomery to making this grow possible, resources like this are invaluable.  As his experience and abilities grow, he hopes to be as big a contributor and help to this community as he can. 

Oh, and once again, pics of current progress, pins, and his FC setup should be following shortly.

Edited by MightyCelt (11/03/06 02:53 PM)

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Re: First grow - grow log, and a few questions (pics later today) Mazatapec in PF cakes [Re: MightyCelt]
    #6227446 - 10/30/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, here are the pics as promised:

Various pics of his newly developed pins, so you can see their size, and the coloration (or lack thereof) I was speaking of:





Here are some pics of his setup. This FC is placed inside a cardboard box (for stealth purposes). The blue rods are blue LED glowsticks that are set to flash. The one in the middle has a cluster of 3 white LEDs that he leaves on for around 12 hours at a time.





I know the first post was a long one, but please someone jump in with some suggestions or answers. Any information would be a big help to him on his first grow.

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Re: First grow - grow log, and a few questions (pics later today) Mazatapec in PF cakes [Re: MightyCelt]
    #6228168 - 10/30/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

C'mon guys, SOMEONE's gotta have somethin to say, right? My friend's just like a little kid with a new toy on christmas, he wanta show it off to everyone. Plus if anyone has any answers to his questions, that'd be great too!

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Re: First grow (mazatapec on PF cakes)- Pics, grow log, and a few questions [Re: MightyCelt]
    #6228258 - 10/30/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

1) your pins will eventualkly form brown/red caps once they move out of the hyphal knot stage ( usually as they gain phototropic direction)

2) about one 4th of them grow to maturity on average when it comes to brf cakes in my experiance

3) your pins are in the hyphal knot stage, once they start expanding you are looking at a window no larger then 2 weeks until full maturity given the proper fruiting chamber temps and humidty

4)yes you can leave the jars in a dark place for a week or two. but i wouldnt recommend putting them in a cool area (below room temp) becuase this may shock the mycilium network which could have an impact on their fruiting potential. as long as they are in a dark area, dont worry about them fruiting invitro.


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Re: First grow (mazatapec on PF cakes)- Pics, grow log, and a few questions [Re: MycoGlowFlow]
    #6228320 - 10/30/06 08:05 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

MycoGlowFlow said:

4)yes you can leave the jars in a dark place for a week or two.  but i wouldnt recommend putting them in a cool area (below room temp) becuase this may shock the mycilium network which could have an impact on their fruiting potential.  as long as they are in a dark area, dont worry about them fruiting invitro.




Well I guess "cool place" is a relative term.  Since my friends AC is broken for the time being, and we live in a tropical paradise :rolleyes:  a cool place would likely be around 80 degrees, so im guessing shocking the mycelium wont be much of a problem. 

MycoGlowFlow, thanks for the reply, and for answering his questions!  I knew someone here would be able to shed some light on the things he's not sure of. 

Not that anyone's all too excited to see another newb's first time grow on cakes, but as soon as the 1st batch gets harvested, I'll be sure to post some pics and yields.  He's so excited, and wants to brag to all his freinds about his new hobby, but he's smart enough to limit the bragging to me, and the Shroomery by proxy!

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Re: First grow (mazatapec on PF cakes)- Pics, grow log, and a few questions [Re: MightyCelt]
    #6228406 - 10/30/06 08:24 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

no problem, im always happy to help answer questions when im around.

you can catch me on aim more often if you have questions


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Re: First grow (mazatapec on PF cakes)- Pics, grow log, and a few questions [Re: MightyCelt]
    #6244014 - 11/03/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Well, here's the latest pictures from my freinds grow. He took these last night, so something like 4 or 5 days progress from the first set of pictures. Some of the earlier pins have really taken off, while most are growing sloooowly, and many many newer smaller ones have popped up all over the place. In the first pics or 2 you can see some of the larger pins. Also, in the next to last pic, you can see all the tiny lil white dots (hyphal knots, i think they're called?) That have popped up all over the place. The last one is of his dirty-ass room and filthy closet (damn dirty hippies!). His fruiting chamber sits inside the lower carboard box, for a stealth grow... you'd never guess by looking at it that scheduled substances were being manufactured in that closet, huh?













I know these pics aren;t toooo exciting, and nothing compared to the mycoporn I've seen around here, but he's really excited about this, being his first grow and all, and wanted me to post these up here, for bragging purposes.

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Re: First grow (mazatapec on PF cakes)- Pics, grow log, and a few questions [Re: MightyCelt]
    #6244169 - 11/03/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

nice pinset hes got going there, better than alot of cakes i have seen, i hope it all works well for him and yields are plentiful


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Re: First grow (mazatapec on PF cakes)- Pics, grow log, and a few questions [Re: odium33]
    #6244316 - 11/03/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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odium33 said:
nice pinset hes got going there, better than alot of cakes i have seen, i hope it all works well for him and yields are plentiful




we all hope for that as well!! His one concern was that things seem to be moving a buit slower than he had thought... A lot of the stuff posted on here seems to suggest that once pins come in, they tend to mature pretty quick (significant growth within a day or 2). It's been a little over a week since he first noticed the pins forming. He's done his best to maintain good conditions (temp fluctuates from 72-78, no hygrometer, but using perlite humidification, fanning 3-4 times a day). Is this crop maturing slower than is usual, or do all those people posting such fast growth just seem to be lucky that time? Thanks for the encouragement, and I'll keep the pics updated as soon as he sends em my way.

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Re: First grow (mazatapec on PF cakes)- Pics, grow log, and a few questions [Re: MightyCelt]
    #6244343 - 11/03/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

very cool.  you've done a great job so far....excellente....keep us posted.  I have a syringe of Maza in my fridge....maybe I'll do that next? :gethigh:


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Re: First grow - grow log, and a few questions (pics later today) Mazatapec in PF cakes [Re: MightyCelt]
    #6246448 - 11/04/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I love mazas!!  :heart:

Probably only psychosomatic, but every time I've taken 'em I've thoroughly enjoyed myself.


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Re: First grow - grow log, and a few questions (pics later today) Mazatapec in PF cakes [Re: mrsage]
    #6246609 - 11/04/06 10:39 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

cool, I am really undecided, though I suppose I could do several jars of each strain I have (EQ, Costa Rican, Amazonian, and Maza)...that might be the good way to go - yuummmmyyy yum yum!. I am gonna try spawn and substrate I think, or possibly the LC to jars....


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Re: First grow - grow log, and a few questions (pics later today) Mazatapec in PF cakes [Re: Tahoe58]
    #6247143 - 11/04/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

the only reason he got the mazas was thats what the endor sent him. there was some deal, where for like 10 bucks cheaper for a 4-pack, you got whatever the vendor wanted to send. He ended up with 1 costa rica, 1 PF redspore, and 2 mazatapec syringes. since he had 2 of em, he decided to try the mazas first. Plus, the descriptions he saw all said they tend to have shorter fatter fruits (who knows how accurate that is) and since his fruiting chamber is neccesarily a little small (stealth grow) he figured shorter fat fruits would be better than tall skinny ones bumping against the FC lid!

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Re: First grow (mazatapec on PF cakes)- grow logs and pics *UPDATE 11-3-06* [Re: MightyCelt]
    #6247890 - 11/04/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: First grow (mazatapec on PF cakes)- grow logs and pics *UPDATE 11-3-06* [Re: MightyCelt]
    #18296401 - 05/21/13 03:57 AM (10 years, 9 months ago)

You should try letting your cakes sit in the jar a little longer for more mycelium coverage but good job nice pins I know that feeling but keep it a secret seen lots get busted wanting to show them off good luck on this nd future grows

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