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Wronguy
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Legal high: the party pills stronger than ecstasy
#6172821 - 10/15/06 06:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexamin...5868-qqqx=1.asp
Legal high: the party pills stronger than ecstasy
The selection of legal, mind-altering drugs, similar to cocaine, ecstasy and speed, are being legally sold over the counter to anyone aged over 18, in at least 13 so-called ‘head stores’ around the country, as well as stalls outside big music festivals and gigs.
Support groups are becoming increasingly concerned about the recent explosion of pep pills because they contain the dangerous substance benzylpiperazine (BZP) which acts as a substitute for MDMA, the banned substance in ecstasy and speed pills.
Despite warnings from experts that they cause heart problems and panic attacks, the Government said it has no plans to ban them. However, it is backing a new drugs awareness campaign being launched to warn young people of the dangers of these “legal highs”.
The Department of Health said BZP is not a scheduled substance under the Misuse of Drugs Act, but its status is kept under constant review. However, it is banned and classified as a Class A substance in the US since 2002.
In a statement, the Department of Health said it “reviews any evidence that substances are being abused and are causing significant harm to public health. For example, earlier this year the law surrounding pyscho- tropic mushrooms in their raw state was clarified in the light of evidence of increased availability and significant harm being done”.
The National Advisory Committee on Drugs (NACD) discussed the emerging trend for the first time at a meeting two weeks ago. It said it will gather information on BZP and consult with its EU counterparts before making any recommendations to the Government.
Support groups say Jax pills and Smileys — both containing BZP and five times the strength of any other dance pills — are becoming the drug of choice for college-goers and even Leaving Cert students, who see them as a more accessible and safer alternative to drugs such as speed, Ecstasy and LSD.
Dr Des Corrigan from the Trinity College School of Pharmacy, said BZP is no safer than any other drug. “The main concern would be dehydration and the risk of heat stroke. The other concerns would be head- aches and a flu like hangover that lasts a few days. There is also the risk of panic reactions and high blood pressure. It would surprise me if anyone would think they are getting anything safer,” Dr Corrigan said.
Michael McDonagh of the Drugs Awareness Programme (DAP) said caffeine and herbal tablets have been around for a long time, but since May they are getting more and more calls about these pills, which are a bit more serious in what they contain.
“We are concerned that they will become a big story at exam time next year,” Mr McDonagh said.
DAP and the Health Service Executive (HSE) are planning an awareness campaign for early next year, which will advise young people, their parents, and professionals about the dangers of these drugs.
DAP said since the ban on magic mushrooms earlier this year it has received thousands of calls relating to Salvia, a more dangerous but legal hallucinogen.
DAP is calling for the regulation of the socalled ‘head stores’ which sell these pills, along with growing kits, pipes and other accessories.
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Re: Legal high: the party pills stronger than ecstasy [Re: Wronguy]
#6174499 - 10/16/06 08:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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head stores lol
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Re: Legal high: the party pills stronger than ecstasy [Re: Wronguy]
#6177793 - 10/17/06 08:39 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is something terribly wrong with this situation, can anyone point it out?
I'll give you a hint: goverment selling drugs potentially more harmful than illegal drugs, to replace illegal drug use. W-T-F ???
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Re: Legal high: the party pills stronger than ecstasy [Re: kake]
#6177804 - 10/17/06 08:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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kake said: head stores lol
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Re: Legal high: the party pills stronger than ecstasy [Re: chodamunky]
#6178107 - 10/17/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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The government just allows them to be sold. Thats prolly what you meant but theres a big difference!
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Re: Legal high: the party pills stronger than ecstasy [Re: Ego Death]
#6178705 - 10/17/06 01:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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There gonna fuckin tell young people about legal highs? Well, why not just make a video telling them wat, where and how to get these legal highs. SAR-FUCKIN-CAISM <33
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Re: Legal high: the party pills stronger than ecstasy [Re: Wronguy]
#6178817 - 10/17/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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the government knows damn well that legal highs cannot replace the amazing effects of their illegal counterparts. however, they are willing not to illegalize these alternatives because they sure as fuck dont care about safety so much as they do the mindset people may develop after taking drugs such as LSD or MDMA.
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Re: Legal high: the party pills stronger than ecstasy [Re: seg_x]
#6178984 - 10/17/06 02:49 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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seg_x said: There gonna fuckin tell young people about legal highs? Well, why not just make a video telling them wat, where and how to get these legal highs. SAR-FUCKIN-CAISM <33
silly world.
well actually seg_x believe it or not on rte news (the main news show for the country) here they showed legal pills and highs they bought, they even gave the price of them and said what areas of dublin you can buy em in.
i dont see why the posts above complain about the legal highs from the article. it talked about BZP, LSA and Salvia. and the article wasnt trying to promote the drugs it was complaining about them . . . but it inadvertently ended up advertising them
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Re: Legal high: the party pills stronger than ecstasy [Re: chodamunky]
#6179040 - 10/17/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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chodamunky said: There is something terribly wrong with this situation, can anyone point it out?
I'll give you a hint: goverment selling drugs potentially more harmful than illegal drugs, to replace illegal drug use. W-T-F ???
the government arent selling the drugs, they only tolerate it . . .for the time being anyway. man id say they are as dangerous as each other legal vs. illegal but at least with the legals they are pure
. . . and id feel a bit better buying my pep pills in a head shop than gettin some ropey yokes or shit speed from some skobe whos lookin to rip me off
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Re: Legal high: the party pills stronger than ecstasy [Re: Spiderbaby]
#6179062 - 10/17/06 03:06 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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okay, one thing i don't get is you are complaining about the BZP can be harmful to us, but you act like MDMA wont do shit to you. MDMA cant harm you in any way right?
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Re: Legal high: the party pills stronger than ecstasy [Re: Wronguy]
#6180572 - 10/17/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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i hate how they say that people are taking BZP because they think it's safer than MDMA.
they mean that we think that it's safer for our bodies, but what WE mean is that it's safer to NOT GET THROWN IN JAIL! nevermind the harmful body effects, not much ruins your life more than being thrown in jail.
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Re: Legal high: the party pills stronger than ecstasy [Re: Colbadol]
#6181639 - 10/18/06 08:58 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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MDMA kills 2+/100,000 people that take it, because they just have VERY adverse effects.
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Re: Legal high: the party pills stronger than ecstasy [Re: Wronguy]
#6182189 - 10/18/06 11:28 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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yea where can i get some... kidding. I am the government so stop talking bad about me
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Re: Legal high: the party pills stronger than ecstasy [Re: tallmonkey]
#6183902 - 10/18/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Um, I don't think BZP is stronger then MDMA. This article was obviously written from an extremely biased and ignorant point of view. We need a person who can reach the masses on a level that is informative when it comes to the facts, but conventional enough so parents, teachers, and priest will actually sit down and listen with an open mind.
Peter Jennings did this when they ran his report on Ecstasy. He interviewed both sides of the argument and at the end let the viewers decide how they about MDMA in todays youth culture. I wish all news was like that, unbiased and factual.
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Re: Legal high: the party pills stronger than ecstasy [Re: TripDoctor]
#6184115 - 10/18/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've been taking BZP for a while. When herbals came out here in NZ I thought they were awesome but I didn't really fell like doing them very often. We would take over the reccommended amount, some people would take like 15 -30 pills (reccommended 2) and turn into feinds/robots for a day.
I have only re-discovered them recently - I find that if I'm real drunk and I take 1/2 a pill it makes me super on form. I have the confidence of drinking, but with much increased mental cohenrency. I actually feel like dancing on BZP(and alcohol), which doesnt happen for me unless I'm totally off my face with just alcohol alone.
They didn't give any explanation about how its 5 times stronger, seems like bullshit to me.
I have had a freaky experience on BZP. I took 1/4 of an E and drank about 12 beers, then took 1/2 a herbal this was all before 11pm. We went to town and by about 1.30 someone offered me another herbal. I didnt realse at the time but these herbals were really really strong, I danced and had an awesome time until 7.30, where I started feeling real odd. I breifly saw flashes of people who werent there and I saw the whole floor turn into a green translucent square and shift sideways. We left and my vision started going in and out, and I'd have time skips when I closed my eyes. I went to the hospital and I was really confused and couldnt remember where I lived. My heart rate was about 150BPM, and the nurse said that my delusions were probably due to having a really high heart rate for an extended peroid of time, and I was also very very dehydrated. She rekoned my heart rate was probably at 200 for a number of hours. My blood pressure was totally normal however.
I learnt from that experience and from others experiences that you definitely do not want to take herbals on a comedown, and now I still take them (in very small amounts) when I go into town looking for a fun time, and have had no such troubles.
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Re: Legal high: the party pills stronger than ecstasy [Re: Wronguy]
#6184436 - 10/18/06 10:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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DAP said since the ban on magic mushrooms earlier this year it has received thousands of calls relating to Salvia, a more dangerous but legal hallucinogen.
Of course, looking at all the number of people salvia kills a year.
Seeing as salvia only lasts 10 minutes, it's probably loads safer than mushrooms in terms of things that can go wrong. You surely won't end up in the hospital for a "bad trip", because by the time your buddies lift you into the car, you'll already be sobered up.
Not that a word like "dangerous" even applies to hallucinogens. The only dangerous thing about them is lack of preparation and the unpredictability factor.
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Re: Legal high: the party pills stronger than ecstasy [Re: Wronguy]
#6184540 - 10/18/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wronguy said:
Despite warnings from experts that they cause heart problems and panic attacks, the Government said it has no plans to ban them. However, it is backing a new drugs awareness campaign being launched to warn young people of the dangers of these “legal highs”.
Good idea.
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Wronguy said: Support groups say Jax pills and Smileys — both containing BZP and five times the strength of any other dance pills — are becoming the drug of choice for college-goers and even Leaving Cert students, who see them as a more accessible and safer alternative to drugs such as speed, Ecstasy and LSD.
Fucking a. Brain washed sheep. LSD is as safe as it can get physicaly.... compared to all other drugs.
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Re: Legal high: the party pills stronger than ecstasy [Re: BlindLemon]
#6185088 - 10/19/06 04:19 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Despite warnings from experts that they cause heart problems and panic attacks, the Government said it has no plans to ban them. However, it is backing a new drugs awareness campaign being launched to warn young people of the dangers of these “legal highs”.
Good idea.
Good idea, but almost every single drug that is made illegal starts out with an "awareness campaign" to "scare the masses" by demonizing the substance.
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Re: Legal high: the party pills stronger than ecstasy [Re: Seuss]
#6187079 - 10/19/06 03:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wronguy said:
Despite warnings from experts that they cause heart problems and panic attacks, the Government said it has no plans to ban them. However, it is backing a new drugs awareness campaign being launched to warn young people of the dangers of these “legal highs”.
Good idea.
Good idea, but almost every single drug that is made illegal starts out with an "awareness campaign" to "scare the masses" by demonizing the substance.
Very true, i guess i was just beliving the govt. when they said "the Government said it has no plans to ban them"
They have lied before..
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Re: Legal high: the party pills stronger than ecstasy [Re: Spiderbaby]
#6187984 - 10/19/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Spiderbaby said: and id feel a bit better buying my pep pills in a head shop than gettin some ropey yokes or shit speed from some skobe whos lookin to rip me off
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