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 Asante
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 What's a little petty theft among friends? 
#6077135 - 09/19/06 08:05 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here's an example of next-to irrelevant petty theft, please read and vote on it, then discuss petty theft in any shape or form.
The example is deliberately the pettiest theft I could come up with.
Example
You and a good friend are walking aimlessly through town, and decide to stop at a fastfood restaurant for some fries to fuel up. The both of you order a large pouch of fries and "double sauce" each. Lo and behold, there it is: two big pouches of fries and four tiny cups of sauce.
You're eagerly munching away, at a faster pace than your buddy, and find yourself halfway through your fries, with both your cups of sauce empty.
You notice how your slower-eating friend still is dippin' in his first cup, and his second cup of sauce lies still unopened on the table.
Fries without sauce are bland, you really like your fries with sauce, anmd once more your eyes wander to that still unused cup of your friend on the tray. You know your good friend likes his fries with sauce too, and didn't order a "double sauce" for nothing.
What do you do? 
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 Re: What's a little petty theft among friends? [Re: Asante]
#6077143 - 09/19/06 08:09 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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get off your lazy ass and get your own damn sauce.
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Re: What's a little petty theft among friends? [Re: Asante]
#6077154 - 09/19/06 08:14 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Now a bit less of a trifle!
How far will you go in lifting a thing off a good friend who in his naiveness left his shit on the table when he went to the toilet?
Its assumed that you and your friend are stoners and that the item nabbed fulfils a need of yours. The "lighter" would be a throwaway bic, not a Zippo or other significant posession
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Re: What's a little petty theft among friends? [Re: eric_the_red]
#6077175 - 09/19/06 08:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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get off your lazy ass and get your own damn sauce.
That would be the most logical solution, but would be an easy way out of the dilemma, so I deliberately left it out.
The saucecup thing is a trifle which happened to me, I saw my friend get a certain look, and I wondered if he would nab it or not. I couldn't care less about the saucecup itself, but I was curious if my friend was the type. And sure enough, I faked to zone out and he casually nabbed the sauce. I let my Christian friend enjoy the full rewards of his sin and afterwards called him out on it 
It turned out he indeed deliberately deceived me and let his gluttony override his Christian morals.
Just like there are people who let the paper go over the toiletroll and under the toiletroll, there are people who nab trivial things off their friends and those who do not.
With something as pointless as a saucecup all you're left with is the principle alone. 
Most people do not think its OK to go through a friend's wallet, but how about deliberately depriving your friend of a small satisfaction, being fries with sauce 
As for my vote: I'd ask for the saucecup, but with no tricks. As for the second poll, I'd take a draft off his joint but won't bogart it - in fact even put it out for him so it won't go to waste. It needs be said that my friends and I share our drugs - if we considered joints an individual thing (like a saucecup) then not even a draft.
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Re: What's a little petty theft among friends? [Re: Asante]
#6077180 - 09/19/06 08:31 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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What kind of sauce are we talking about here? 
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Re: What's a little petty theft among friends? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
#6077191 - 09/19/06 08:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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mattzdope said:
What kind of sauce are we talking about here?
indeed, that sounds like the most important issue here.
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Asante
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Re: What's a little petty theft among friends? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
#6077192 - 09/19/06 08:35 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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In holland we use mayonnaise on fries, in the US I believe it would be ketchup or so.
It's not about the sauce dammit 
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Re: What's a little petty theft among friends? [Re: Asante]
#6077201 - 09/19/06 08:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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you guys are fucking wierd.
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THE KRAT BARON
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Re: What's a little petty theft among friends? [Re: Banez]
#6077210 - 09/19/06 08:40 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well I voted for "Ask "could I have that?" and accept his answer" and "not even a draft off his joint". But after re-thinking my second vote I'd probably take a hit because none of my friends would care if I took a single hit or two. Unless they specifically asked me to put it out so it doesn't burn down and it wasn't my turn to hit it. 
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Re: What's a little petty theft among friends? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
#6077213 - 09/19/06 08:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
mattzdope said:
What kind of sauce are we talking about here?
I think you know what I think of when I hear "sauce" 
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Re: What's a little petty theft among friends? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
#6077214 - 09/19/06 08:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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im a fuckin weed nazi.. id be soo fucking erked if i went to the bathroom and came back and found out someone was tokin on my blunt without asking. Unless it was my black friend, i just expect that from him. hes my dude.
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THE KRAT BARON
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Re: What's a little petty theft among friends? [Re: eris]
#6077225 - 09/19/06 08:52 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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eris said:
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mattzdope said:
What kind of sauce are we talking about here?
I think you know what I think of when I hear "sauce"
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Re: What's a little petty theft among friends? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
#6077228 - 09/19/06 08:54 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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congrats on owning me in fantasy football btw.
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Re: What's a little petty theft among friends? [Re: eris]
#6077281 - 09/19/06 09:21 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you know what I think of when I hear "sauce"
OK, let me rephrase that: would you want your friend's sauce over your fries?
The nab people may argue that "its just ketchup!" but then again, if its such a small matter, then why not let your friend have his?
I find losing a bit of mayo/catsup or even something mega like a $50 bill less important than discovering whether or not my good friend does such a thing. I'm the kind of friend who's in the habit of freely giving stuff away (some time ago a 5 gram, $25 lump of hash when I visited a good but nearly broke friend) but I have low tolerance to taking without asking.
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Re: What's a little petty theft among friends? [Re: Asante]
#6077297 - 09/19/06 09:26 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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It depends...mostly on how good of a friend he/she is (closer they are...more likely to "share" from them)
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Re: What's a little petty theft among friends? [Re: trendal]
#6077309 - 09/19/06 09:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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trendal said:
It depends...mostly on how good of a friend he/she is (closer they are...more likely to "share" from them)
I agree. Im the same way, im more likely to "share" or allow closer friends to share from me, than a less close friend
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Re: What's a little petty theft among friends? [Re: Banez]
#6077353 - 09/19/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Banez said:
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trendal said:
It depends...mostly on how good of a friend he/she is (closer they are...more likely to "share" from them)
I agree. Im the same way, im more likely to "share" or allow closer friends to share from me, than a less close friend
It's the thought that counts
It turned out he thought it was somewhat wrong, yet did it anyway.
The closer the friend the less of a vice it is when it comes to the silly small things. But! I much rather would have a thief roll $20 out of my pocket than a friend bumming a $10 bill and trying to get away with it.
There's an invisible treshold somewhere between a cup of mayo and cash money that shouldn't be crossed.  Where that treshold lies is an individual thing, and depends on the friend.
If my Christian friend had asked it, he would've gotten the cup and even some of my fries too if he wanted, instead he got both the cup and after the fact a talk about Christianity, friendship, and the concept of Sin.
Want fries with that?
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Re: What's a little petty theft among friends? [Re: Asante]
#6077356 - 09/19/06 09:43 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stealing a lighter is not just merely stealing a lighter, it has harsh consequences for the person your stealing it off.
This pisses me off alot. Specially when the person who stole it has loads of lighters at home, and i'm sat at my place with a tea light candle burning, slowly turning my furniture into fire wood so i can get a pull off my bong..
Then next time i see him he pulls MY lighter out and flatly claims " i bought it from the shop last week, it's just the same colour, look it's even got my name scratched onto it "
Bastard,, 
It's a vicious circle cos he knows i'll be on the lookout for his prize clipper next time he leaves it lying about,, .
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Re: What's a little petty theft among friends? [Re: Asante]
#6077503 - 09/19/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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there's no degrees of wrongness here, being dishonest with someone is wrong no matter how you look at it or how petty it may seem. i know that's a bold statement because we are human and all guilty of it at some point. to me, when someone lies it's an intentional kick in the balls and it's a great way to lose my trust and friendship quick. i'm also a big fan of forgiveness and second chances, but these things tend to be habitual. it just seems sketchy to be dishonest or to steal, no matter how petty. it's much easier to ask your friend before you take something, and people notice that shit. it's how you build trust, and without that you don't have any friends. and besides, nothing is ever really "taken", it's ultimately a trade. you get back what you put out there in one way or another.
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Re: What's a little petty theft among friends? [Re: Mike_yy]
#6077533 - 09/19/06 10:32 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Stealing a lighter is not just merely stealing a lighter, it has harsh consequences for the person your stealing it off.
I once had to light a joint with the pilot light of my central heating because a friend has mistook my square black lighter for his red round lighter that happened to run out at that time. 
I don't see how people don't notice that.
You could mix some paint or ink (from lets say a fountain pen cartridge) with some veggie oil, producing an ink/paint that never dries..
Next "paint" your lighter with it and leave it lying around on your table.
Then, after looking away or whatever distracted you, discuss the shit on his hand, and missing lighters in general
It can be a fun way to bring up something that bothers you.
PS: don't do this practical joke with "friends" who would cover it up by wiping their hand on your couch 
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