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Twin Towers "collapse" violates laws of physics (with scholarly link)
    #6054625 - 09/12/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/BilliardBalls.html

just read it for yourself, it's quite simple to understand, and the graphics just make it easier.

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Re: Twin Towers "collapse" violates laws of physics (with scholarly link) [Re: dr0mni]
    #6054800 - 09/12/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I'm so happy that the person who wrote this "scholarly link" about how the collapse "violates the laws of physics" actually themselves violated the laws of physics.

Allow me to point out some of the problems with the analysis:

First:
The "pile" left after the collapse was very large, and extended quite high into the sky at points, so her initial assumption that the time for the collapse can be accurately calculated by measuring a ball falling from the top of the towers to ground level is already flawed.

Second:
In the animation posted on the site, you can obviously see that the collapse began at the impact point, NOT at the roof, which is what all of her simulations assume. Several floors were infact simultaneously in free fall, because the section above the impact point collapsed together, all floors falling at the same time.

Third:
In what is the biggest loas of crap ever: THE "PAPER" IGNORES ACCELERATION DUE TO GRAVITY!

The whole "billiard ball" simulation is complete and utter crap because it assumes that each successive collapsing floor begins with an initial velocity of zero, completely ignoring the exiting velocity of the floors already traveling downwards.

When the top couple of floors collapsed, they caused the floors below them to begin collapsing, but they transferred not only the energy necessary to cause collapse, but their existing *momentum*. Thus the lower floors would begin falling at the velocity the floor above them was already traveling, and would accelerate due to gravity from there.

Since this is completely ignored in the cited "paper" I am forced to conclude that the author could use a physics class, and has succeeded in proving nothing...

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Re: Twin Towers "collapse" violates laws of physics (with scholarly link) [Re: Economist]
    #6054814 - 09/12/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)


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Re: Twin Towers "collapse" violates laws of physics (with scholarly link) [Re: ApJunkie]
    #6054912 - 09/12/06 08:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I really want to help, but the pictures won't load, can you maybed write out whatever it is in txt (so for off-topic post, btw)

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Re: Twin Towers "collapse" violates laws of physics (with scholarly link) [Re: dr0mni]
    #6055119 - 09/12/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

My god these conspiracy theories are flat out fucking dumb. The only way the WTC would fall timber style is if the plane had hit it like, at the 20th floor or something.

Btw, there are videos available that show the planes literally smacking into the towers. Who were flying those? Suicide CIA agents? What about the all the cell phone calls from people on the planes who said Arab men just hijacked their flight?

Seriously, these theories just keep getting dumber and sadder. The only "conspiracy theory" that even has an iola of weight would be the notion that the government knew Al Qaeda was poised to attack the WTC, but intentionally failed to halt it or intentionally did not connect the dots that would throw law enforcement into action. And even that is wild stretch.

Stupid college kids these days and their Loose Change DVDs. If it gets any more stupid, someone's gonna have to quarantine David Icke.


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Re: Twin Towers "collapse" violates laws of physics (with scholarly link) [Re: Basilides]
    #6055131 - 09/12/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

they have used terrorist groups before, no reason they wouldn't again. Or it could have been remote control, which they did have the technology for.


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Re: Twin Towers "collapse" violates laws of physics (with scholarly link) [Re: barfightlard]
    #6055164 - 09/12/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

This flies in the face of clear unmitigated logic. People were calling loved ones from all 4 planes assessing the situation, and the 4-way consensus is evident: hijackers took over the planes. If you believe otherwise, you are believing a falsehood. Look, I know Bush is an idiot, but that's no reason to seep to his level.


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Re: Twin Towers "collapse" violates laws of physics (with scholarly link) [Re: Basilides]
    #6055189 - 09/12/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

They did it with the WTC in the early 90's, minus the planes. And the document Operation Northwoods shows they were willing to do such a thing with planes.

Not aying it happened, but something doesn't add up.


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Re: Twin Towers "collapse" violates laws of physics (with scholarly link) [Re: barfightlard]
    #6055204 - 09/12/06 09:07 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It's called a massive fucking intelligence failure.


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Re: Twin Towers "collapse" violates laws of physics (with scholarly link) [Re: Basilides]
    #6055240 - 09/12/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

the sad thing is when they build the freedom tower someone will just do it again...

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Re: Twin Towers "collapse" violates laws of physics (with scholarly link) [Re: degenerate182]
    #6055268 - 09/12/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Not as long as people remember not to trust Arab hijackers. That's what made 9-11 possible, the fact that no one considered the possibility that those guys were on a suicide mission.


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Re: Twin Towers "collapse" violates laws of physics (with scholarly link) [Re: Basilides]
    #6055375 - 09/12/06 09:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

without the million dollar simulations you'd get the exact same falling in on itself like they did if you used a deck of cards

these people are clutching at straw


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Re: Twin Towers "collapse" violates laws of physics (with scholarly link) [Re: Basilides]
    #6055402 - 09/12/06 09:57 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Basilides said:
Not as long as people remember not to trust Arab hijackers. That's what made 9-11 possible, the fact that no one considered the possibility that those guys were on a suicide mission.




i watched a doco about the main hijacker abbas i think his name was the other night

that guy was a fucking fruitcake who basicly went on a jihad because they were building maccas in cairo and he couldnt find a job and resented the fact he could feed himself working in the free western world so did he blame his own government for lack of unemployment opportunities and land selloffs to build mc donalds restaurants?
nope he blamed the evil west


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Re: Twin Towers "collapse" violates laws of physics (with scholarly link) [Re: Basilides]
    #6055485 - 09/12/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Basilides said:
Stupid college kids these days and their Loose Change DVDs. If it gets any more stupid, someone's gonna have to quarantine David Icke.



Just be glad no one has pulled him into this....yet.... I think that maybe they knew it and let it happen anyways. That's pretty much where I draw the line. To me it is disturbing to even feel it necessary to entertain the idea that our govt was in on it though. What a fucked up world...


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Re: Twin Towers "collapse" violates laws of physics (with scholarly link) [Re: Basilides]
    #6055629 - 09/12/06 11:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Stupid college kids these days and their Loose Change DVDs. If it gets any more stupid, someone's gonna have to quarantine David Icke.




Yea... Those people are illogical brainless fucks.


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Re: Twin Towers "collapse" violates laws of physics (with scholarly link) [Re: downforpot]
    #6056085 - 09/13/06 02:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Yea... Those people are illogical brainless fucks.




And hurling insults at people for thinking differently than you makes you what? Einstein?


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Re: Twin Towers "collapse" violates laws of physics (with scholarly link) [Re: dr0mni]
    #6056212 - 09/13/06 04:38 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I wonder if anyone is investigating the possibility that aliens had something to do with the collapse?


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Re: Twin Towers "collapse" violates laws of physics (with scholarly link) [Re: zorbman]
    #6056223 - 09/13/06 04:50 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

:lol:
illegal aliens?


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Re: Twin Towers "collapse" violates laws of physics (with scholarly link) [Re: zorbman]
    #6057599 - 09/13/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I wonder if anyone is investigating the possibility that aliens had something to do with the collapse?




Steven Jones is hot on the case. Or maybe it's Jesus. Who knows?
http://www.physics.byu.edu/faculty/jones/rel491/handstext%20and%20figures.htm


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Re: Twin Towers "collapse" violates laws of physics (with scholarly link) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6057679 - 09/13/06 04:04 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

So Al Qaeda put more bombs in the WTC on 9/11. They bombed one of the towers in 1993 and decided to use a lot more on 9/11.

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