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Madtowntripper
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Lou Dobbs
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Seems to be one of the few voices on Network News who isnt screeching about fear and war and terror at the top of his lungs. I'm 100% positive that he's a Bush vote, but unlike your Prez, he actually outlines his ideas in a rational manner using examples that make sense.
I find myself nodding my head when he talks about most subjects. Here's his column today about the Middle East situation, and the US obligations in the region.
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NEW YORK (CNN) -- We Americans like to think we're a pretty smart people, even when evidence to the contrary is overwhelming. And nowhere is that evidence more overwhelming than in the Middle East. History in the Middle East is everything, and we Americans seem to learn nothing from it.
President Harry Truman took about 20 minutes to recognize the state of Israel when it declared independence in 1948. Since then, more than 58 years of war, terrorism and blood-letting have led to the events of the past week.
Even now, as Katyusha rockets rain down on northern Israel and Israeli fighter jets blast Hezbollah targets in southern Lebanon, we simultaneously decry radical Islamist terrorism and Israel's lack of restraint in defending itself.
And the U.S. government, which wants no part of a cease-fire until Israel is given every opportunity to rescue its kidnapped soldiers and destroy as many Hezbollah and Hezbollah armaments as possible, urges caution in the interest of preserving a nascent and fragile democratic government in Lebanon. Could we be more conflicted?
While the United States provides about $2.5 billion in military and economic aid to Israel each year, U.S. aid to Lebanon amounts to no more than $40 million. This despite the fact that the per capita GDP of Israel is among the highest in the world at $24,600, nearly four times as high as Lebanon's GDP per capita of $6,200.
Lebanon's lack of wealth is matched by the Palestinians -- three out of every four Palestinians live below the poverty line. Yet the vast majority of our giving in the region flows to Israel. This kind of geopolitical inconsistency and shortsightedness has contributed to the Arab-Israeli conflict that the Western world seems content to allow to perpetuate endlessly.
After a week of escalating violence, around two dozen Israelis and roughly 200 Lebanese have died. That has been sufficient bloodshed for United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan and British Prime Minister Tony Blair to join in the call for an international security force, ignoring the fact that a U.N. force is already in Southern Lebanon, having failed to secure the border against Hezbollah's incursions and attacks and the murder and kidnapping of Israeli soldiers.
As our airwaves fill with images and sounds of exploding Hezbollah rockets and Israeli bombs, this seven-day conflict has completely displaced from our view another war in which 10 Americans and more than 300 Iraqis have died during the same week. And it is a conflict now of more than three years duration that has claimed almost 15,000 lives so far this year alone.
An estimated 50,000 Iraqis and more than 2,500 American troops have been killed since the insurgency began in March of 2003, which by some estimates is more than the number of dead on both sides of the Arab-Israeli conflict over the past 58 years of wars and intifadas.
Yet we have seen no rescue ships moving up the Euphrates for Iraqis who are dying in their streets, markets and mosques each day. French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin has not leaped to Baghdad as he did Beirut. And there are no meetings of the Arab League, and no U.S. diplomacy with Egypt, Syria and Jordan directed at ending the Iraqi conflict.
In the Middle East, where is our sense of proportion? Where is our sense of perspective? Where is our sense of decency? And, finally, just how smart are we?
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Lou Dobbs seems to be one of the few in the media with a clear and understandable perspective. No bullshit. I would vote for him for president.
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Re: Lou Dobbs [Re: 1stimer]
#5877998 - 07/19/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I too watch him quite frequently, I certainly don't agree with his views on the war on drugs, but most of what he says usually rings dead on.
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Re: Lou Dobbs [Re: 1stimer]
#5877999 - 07/19/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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He has it bang on.
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lonestar2004
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So now we know Lou Dobbs hates Beaners and Joooooooos.
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Hank, FTW
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Where do you get that idea? He was talking about the unfair, irrational situation in the middle east. I don't recall him saying he hated Jews anywhere.
OHHHH yeah, if your not pro Israel, your an Anti-Semite. I forgot.
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Edited by alpharedecho (07/19/06 02:38 PM)
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I am not really sure what his point in that article was. (IMO its all over the place) So i just summed it up.
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Hank, FTW
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The general point of his article was American Foreign policy needs to smarten up, big time. That's what I got from it.
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Madtowntripper
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Yeah, not really sure how you could miss that in there....
-------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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lonestar2004
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Madtowntripper said: Yeah, not really sure how you could miss that in there....
Seriously what does he mean here in the Beginning of the Article?
"President Harry Truman took about 20 minutes to recognize the state of Israel when it declared independence in 1948. Since then, more than 58 years of war, terrorism and blood-letting have led to the events of the past week."
Is he saying that this conflict has only been going on for 58 Years?
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Madtowntripper
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lonestar2004 said:
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Madtowntripper said: Yeah, not really sure how you could miss that in there....
Seriously what does he mean here in the Beginning of the Article?
"President Harry Truman took about 20 minutes to recognize the state of Israel when it declared independence in 1948. Since then, more than 58 years of war, terrorism and blood-letting have led to the events of the past week."
Is he saying that this conflict has only been going on for 58 Years?
Well, if you read the last sentance in the paragraph above, you see this "History in the Middle East is everything, and we Americans seem to learn nothing from it."
I read that as him saying that the middle east conflict is one based on history, and that Americans dont really know this. The next paragraph is saying that these events didnt just spring out of the ground, that there is a historical context for them. I dont hear him say that these events dont have a deeper basis. He's saying that the current conflict is a direct result of the birth of Israel.
Which is true. Arabs and Jews arent fighting right now over whether Muhammad was the true prophet. They're fighting because Israel thinks the land is hers and the Arabs think the land is theirs.
Does it make more sense now?
-------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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What he is saying is that when Israel first came on the scene, it was seen as its own country, not an ally for any reason really. "about 20 minutes to recognize" Now, the American Government spends a lot more time(20 minutes), and more everything in general(aid, support, etc), since 1948. Through these actions(lobbyist), the US foreign policy has been shifted to benefit Israel more than the US, which has caused a hatred from the ARAB world. Arabs don't hate your freedom, they hate your support of Israel.
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lonestar2004
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So If the Jews left Israel there would be PEACE in the region? maybe we can ship them to Argentina...
-------------------- America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure" We have "reckless fiscal policies" America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better Barack Obama
Edited by lonestar2004 (07/19/06 05:49 PM)
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Peace will come when everyone learns to share Jerusalem (and maybe Sheeba Farms).
-------------------- "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."
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Madtowntripper
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Or until someone tells the Jews that you cannot just come to a country, kill the inhabitants to drive them off the land, claim it as your own, and proceed to set up shop.
-------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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Quote: Madtowntripper said: Yeah, not really sure how you could miss that in there....
Seriously what does he mean here in the Beginning of the Article?
"President Harry Truman took about 20 minutes to recognize the state of Israel when it declared independence in 1948. Since then, more than 58 years of war, terrorism and blood-letting have led to the events of the past week."
Is he saying that this conflict has only been going on for 58 Years?
What he is pointing out is that it should take more than 20 minutes to make a well thought out decision.
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