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poo and coir?
    #5852793 - 07/12/06 10:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I ordered some hpoo from tennstud and I have some coir as well. I plan on using both. I want to do 2 casings. Should i combine the poo and coir into both trays or just use hpoo in one and coir in the other? Basically, how well does coir mixed w/hpoo work?

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Re: poo and coir? [Re: davesj1]
    #5852884 - 07/12/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

poo isnt a casing material, it's a bulk substrate.

and coir can be a casing layer OR a bulk substrate.

So spawn some jars to the hpoo, the the hpoo colonize, then mix the coir with vermiculite (40% coir, 60% vermiculite) for your casing layer and slap it on top... as soon as some myc starts to poke through, patch it and throw it in your FC. wait about 2 weeks and harvest, then eat your shrooms and relax.


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Re: poo and coir? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5853551 - 07/13/06 01:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I know that hpoo isnt for a casing. Im talking about using coir and/or hpoo as bulk substrates.

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Re: poo and coir? [Re: davesj1]
    #5853572 - 07/13/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

just make 3 trays with a mix in the midle and the seperate ones to eather side

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Re: poo and coir? [Re: DaveTX]
    #5853657 - 07/13/06 02:28 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Im lookign for the configuration with the max yield

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Re: poo and coir? [Re: davesj1]
    #5853708 - 07/13/06 03:09 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

OK, so i decided to possably do more than 2 casings. So here is my question rephrased:

Since I do not have enough hpoo for all of my casings I am also going to use coir as well. Should I do as many casings as possable with 100% hpoo and then do the remaining ones with coir or should I do all of the casings with a mix of the 2?

I was thinking that adding coir to the Hpoo may help its water retention ability. I can also add vermiculite - would that help as well, in addition to the coir?

Edited by davesj1 (07/13/06 03:11 AM)

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Re: poo and coir? [Re: davesj1]
    #5853811 - 07/13/06 05:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Mix them. Throwing in 1/4 or so of your ratio in casing mix(verm/coir, verm/peat) helps with colonization speed, fluffing up the mix, and water retention.

Edited by kristen (07/13/06 05:09 AM)

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Re: poo and coir? [Re: davesj1]
    #5853866 - 07/13/06 06:47 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Im talking about the substrate, not the casing layer!!

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Re: poo and coir? [Re: davesj1]
    #5853916 - 07/13/06 07:58 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Coir and manure make an excellent substrate. Throw in the leftover coffee grinds from the morning pot of coffee too. Case with peat/verm.
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Re: poo and coir? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5853950 - 07/13/06 08:39 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

mix your poo and coir.

use all of your poo and whatever coir is needed to fill out the rest.

coir is poor for casings, so please stop telling this guy
to use it for casings.

would you make a casing layer with horse poo?
okay then.
coir and poo are almost equally nutritious.

make sure you pasteurize your coir and add some lime to it.
coir is slightly acidic and needs ph adjustment.
wouldn't hurt at all to add gypusm as well.

treat the coir exactly as you would treat the poo.
it is a very nice bulk substrate.
use them interchangable if you wish.
I would go with as much poo as possible and
add whatever coir is needed to fulfill your space requirement.


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Re: poo and coir? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5854776 - 07/13/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

A big rollseyes for you there, pal. Coir and verm work fine as a casing layer and have excellent water retention capabilities. Stop trying to sound authorative if you don't know what you're talking about.

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Re: poo and coir? [Re: kristen]
    #5854806 - 07/13/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

there is a Smiley for that you know?

:rolleyes:

why do you add coir to your vermiculite for casing?


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Re: poo and coir? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5854832 - 07/13/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Because coir or vermiculite alone are under-performers. Not when mixed at a good ratio.

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Re: poo and coir? [Re: kristen]
    #5854882 - 07/13/06 02:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

coir can work as a casing material.

it is added for the same reason peat would be added.

it is nutritious and technically casings should be non-nutritive I believe,
however it gets used quite a bit.

if you do use coir, use it in a 30/70 ratio coir/vermiculite,
or something like that.
I wouldn't go over 40% coir.

or maybe at 5-10% added into a peat/verm mix to speed it up a tad.


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