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4 1/2 weeks old cakes & no pin heads ? (HELP)
    #5836604 - 07/08/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i am growing the mexican. it has been about 4 1/2 weeks & sill no pin heads have poped up it will be 5 weeks on 7/11/2006 is there something i did wrong ?  any tips or reasons why they are taking so long would really help me out :smile:

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Re: 4 1/2 weeks old cakes & no pin heads ? (HELP) [Re: retro_killa]
    #5836670 - 07/08/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

no one has any ideas on how to help them grow or pop pin heads ?


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Re: 4 1/2 weeks old cakes & no pin heads ? (HELP) [Re: retro_killa]
    #5836674 - 07/08/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

don't bump after 20 minutes... and those pictures are huge. let them colonize 100%


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Re: 4 1/2 weeks old cakes & no pin heads ? (HELP) [Re: retro_killa]
    #5836678 - 07/08/06 07:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

You havnt taken them out of the jars yet? I suggest you search for PF Tek. You have to take your colonized mycellium out of the jars and introduce them into a Fruiting Chamber. A Stable, Clean, Humid enviroment. Check the PF tek that will tell you everything you need to know.


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Re: 4 1/2 weeks old cakes & no pin heads ? (HELP) [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5836681 - 07/08/06 07:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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don't bump after 20 minutes... and those pictures are huge. let them colonize 100%




then after they are full colonized / white then what should i do keep waiting or start all over ? because the groth rate when they are trying to colonize is very slow i have not sceen much groth in the last 5 days why is this ?


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Re: 4 1/2 weeks old cakes & no pin heads ? (HELP) [Re: retro_killa]
    #5836687 - 07/08/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

turn your jars upside down to allow the bottoms to colonize, it'll help a lot. and after they are 100%, you BIRTH them... look at the PF tek again.


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Re: 4 1/2 weeks old cakes & no pin heads ? (HELP) [Re: 2FiNiTe]
    #5836694 - 07/08/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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You havnt taken them out of the jars yet?  I suggest you search for PF Tek.  You have to take your colonized mycellium out of the jars and introduce them into a Fruiting Chamber.  A Stable, Clean, Humid enviroment.  Check the PF tek that will tell you everything you need to know.




no i have not taken them out of the jars yet pf tek link plz :smile:


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Re: 4 1/2 weeks old cakes & no pin heads ? (HELP) [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5836696 - 07/08/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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turn your jars upside down to allow the bottoms to colonize, it'll help a lot. and after they are 100%, you BIRTH them... look at the PF tek again.




no i have not done that also can you link the pf tek in a post for me also i wonder if i should take them out of the jars & into the aquarium so that they can start fruiting ?


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Re: 4 1/2 weeks old cakes & no pin heads ? (HELP) [Re: retro_killa]
    #5836699 - 07/08/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

as has been said in numerous other threads...there can be a lot of different reasons that your cakes aren't colonized yet...
1, perhaps you mixed your substrate with the wrong level of moisture?

2. perhaps you're peeking at them too much? Mycillium like TOTAL darkness in order to colonize at full speed...this simulates their natural environment...ya know...the one where the sun NEVER touches them?

3. maybe its because you're not storing them at the propper temperature (between 80&85 degrees F)

as well as a HOST of other factors that are simply too numerous to name.

My best advice is...put them in a warm, dark, out of the way place, and just bloody forget about em for a while. Patience is usually the best cure-all when it comes to cubies.


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Re: 4 1/2 weeks old cakes & no pin heads ? (HELP) [Re: Murit]
    #5836719 - 07/08/06 07:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

when should i check on them after i forget about them ?


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Re: 4 1/2 weeks old cakes & no pin heads ? (HELP) [Re: retro_killa]
    #5836725 - 07/08/06 08:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

judging by the level of colonization in the cakes, I'd say at least a week.


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Re: 4 1/2 weeks old cakes & no pin heads ? (HELP) [Re: Murit]
    #5836743 - 07/08/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

oh k the temp is 84F and has been that way scenes day 1 should i turn it down ?


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Re: 4 1/2 weeks old cakes & no pin heads ? (HELP) [Re: Murit]
    #5836753 - 07/08/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

nah...84 is fine.


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Re: 4 1/2 weeks old cakes & no pin heads ? (HELP) [Re: 2FiNiTe]
    #5836894 - 07/08/06 09:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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You havnt taken them out of the jars yet? I suggest you search for PF Tek. You have to take your colonized mycellium out of the jars and introduce them into a Fruiting Chamber. A Stable, Clean, Humid enviroment. Check the PF tek that will tell you everything you need to know.





I suggest you not post without knowing what you're talking about. Those jars are clearly not fully colonized and fruiting them now would result in contamination and low yield at best.


I'm betting they're stalled because you left the foil in place thereby suffocating them and not allowing gas exchange.

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Re: 4 1/2 weeks old cakes & no pin heads ? (HELP) [Re: kristen]
    #5836912 - 07/08/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Aluminum foil would still allow for air exchange, as well as act as a contam barier...though if you used a layer of dry verm on the top of your cakes, this extra barier would be unneeded, and the foil would be pretty much frivilous (as well as decreasing your air exchange.

Bottom line...if you used a dry verm layer, remove the foil...if not...dont.

Something you can try, however, to speed up your colonization is to flip your jars over onto their lids....This thread explains why...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post5652736


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Re: 4 1/2 weeks old cakes & no pin heads ? (HELP) [Re: Murit]
    #5837075 - 07/08/06 10:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

> though if you used a layer of dry verm on the top of your cakes, this extra barier would be unneeded, and the foil would be pretty much frivilous

No way. You don't want contams getting in your jars. Just because you have a verm layer is no reason to let contams fall into your jars! The foil is simply a cap to prevent contams from falling directly donwn into you jars! Always have foil or some sort of cap over your jars to prevent contams from falling down into it!


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Re: 4 1/2 weeks old cakes & no pin heads ? (HELP) [Re: fastfred]
    #5837127 - 07/08/06 10:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

*just got schooled*


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Re: 4 1/2 weeks old cakes & no pin heads ? (HELP) [Re: Murit]
    #5840501 - 07/09/06 09:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

so what do i need to do ? help please i do not want to waste long hard month of growing


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Re: 4 1/2 weeks old cakes & no pin heads ? (HELP) [Re: retro_killa]
    #5840524 - 07/09/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

First read a lot more.

All the advice posted above is good.

1. Wait for the jars to colonize 100%. To speed this up turn them upside down and smack them so that the cake pulls away from the bottom, this will let the myc colonize it easier. If growth has stopped loosen the lids and try to let a little fresh air into them, but not so much that you get contams going in.

2. Birth the cakes into a fruiting chamber. The easyiest way is to cover the bottom of a tub with perlite and add some water. You also need a light source. You need to read up on this stuff!

3. Wait 7-18 days for pins.

4. Wait another 5-10 days for the pins to mature into good sized fruits.

5. Harvest.


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Re: 4 1/2 weeks old cakes & no pin heads ? (HELP) [Re: retro_killa]
    #5840699 - 07/09/06 10:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

they have their own bathroom,everything was sterile before we put them in, they were done perfectly when putting in the ingredient, we only go in there after taking a shower and have only a few times to make sure water levels, etc. are fine and spray bleach everywhere. They have always been at 84 degrees. There is just still stand still for a couple weeks... they need to fully colonize which none of them have before we birth them ya i know. has this happened to anyone else? should we cold shock them? already read everything at pf tek ya Ive done everything correctly referring back to how to do it doesn't answer this question


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