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razorbladeshoes
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Weird red underground mushroom ID request
#5810719 - 07/01/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think this is a bolete of some kind, but it doesn't match the descriptions I've found for it. It looks close to a Red Gyroporus, only what I found is much smaller than the listed description, and the descr. doesn't mention anything about bruising, which my find did.
Habitat: I found these growing out of soil underground in a rabbit hole. Gills: Yellow underside, no gills Stem: Off white, darkening near top. Red discoloration near base. Cap: Dark red, smooth, ~.5 in in diameter. Spore print color: none yet Bruising: Underside of cap bruised aqua/green really fast. Location: Picked in Georgia
Any insight is appreciated!
Thanks, Dave
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Re: Weird red underground mushroom ID request [Re: razorbladeshoes]
#5810738 - 07/01/06 08:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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looks like a poisonous bolete.
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Re: Weird red underground mushroom ID request [Re: Psy Baba]
#5810786 - 07/01/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Definitely a bolete. Boletus bicolor and campestris both bruise blue, have red caps, and are edible. But, since there are many poisonous boletes that bruise blue, you should assume that yours is poisonous as well.
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Re: Weird red underground mushroom ID request [Re: xmush]
#5810810 - 07/01/06 08:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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his are bruisin green/aqua.
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Re: Weird red underground mushroom ID request [Re: Psy Baba]
#5810821 - 07/01/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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DuNeRaVeR said: his are bruisin green/aqua.
Blue bruising on yellow flesh = Green/Aqua...
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Edited by YESSUP (07/01/06 09:04 PM)
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Re: Weird red underground mushroom ID request [Re: xmush]
#5810866 - 07/01/06 09:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Incredibly beautiful shrooms those are and puny.....only 1/ 2 inch caps.....would of loved to of seen pics of those in the hole growin.....of course you know of all the analogies with red mushrooms and rabbit holes......would be a great pic......" And the white knight is talking backwards........ "
Would definately agree with X and would say take your pic of any of several of the beautiful Boletus bicolor group
Now other than the others that are just too bitter to eat this is the only group of Yellow pored Boletes which bruise blue which I've ever heard of where people have had some gastrointestinal discomfort.......in our area yellow pored blue staining Boletes have always been by far the most collected and eaten of the Boletes and they are commonly eaten around the world.....most problems come with Red pored Boletes which stain blue especially if not cooked first and are best not messed with....never eat anything more than a small taste when trying any mushroom for the first time anyways....no reason to kill yourself all at once......but approach this group with caution if at all.
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Re: Weird red underground mushroom ID request [Re: razorbladeshoes]
#5810991 - 07/01/06 10:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The mushroom is Boletelus betula (Schw.) Gil., a very choice edible Bolete.
And yes the porus pores and stem become greenish-yellow.
Not blue
mj
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Re: Weird red underground mushroom ID request [Re: mjshroomer]
#5811139 - 07/01/06 10:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What causes the bruising color change in a bolete?
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Re: Weird red underground mushroom ID request [Re: razorbladeshoes]
#5811185 - 07/01/06 11:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I disagree with the guess of Boletellus betula. That species has a deeply reticulate stem, and the photos appear to show a smooth stem surface. The cap certainly does resemble that species, and the geographic area is correct.
razorbladeshoes, if you scratch the tube surface with your fingernail, does it change color (not just get a bit darker)? If so, what color does it change to? Note that color changes can take up to an hour.
Look very closely at the surface of the cap, and also feel it with your fingertip. Is it dry, moist, or slimy? Is it somewhat velvety or smooth? Is the surface cracking sort of like a mud flat?
Try cutting it in half vertically. Scrape one of the halves with your knife edge to bruise the tissue and see if it changes color. If so, how long did it take, and what color(s) did it change to?
What kind of tree were growing nearby?
Happy mushrooming!
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Re: Weird red underground mushroom ID request [Re: mjshroomer]
#5811186 - 07/01/06 11:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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mjshroomer said: The mushroom is Boletelus betula (Schw.) Gil., a very choice edible Bolete.
And yes the porus pores and stem become greenish-yellow.
Not blue
mj
The mushroom you suggested does NOT bruise on the pores or any part of the shroom in any way like the above ( classic Bicolor group )obviously bruises.....and B. betula and its relatives are referred as shaggy and jagged stemmed Boletes because of there extremely exaggerated coarse reticulation of the outer stipe surface which are usually porportionatly long......the Boletus above clearly is not....
Check this out.... http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=h...6lr%3D%26sa%3DN
http://www.biology.duke.edu/fungi/rytas2.gif
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Re: Weird red underground mushroom ID request [Re: razorbladeshoes]
#5811863 - 07/02/06 08:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here's some extra pictures and some additional information:
Here's the habitat... I had to stick the camera down the hole to get a decent shot:
Scale comparison with a quarter:
Close-up (note the white mycelium still attached):
Here's the brusing. The last shot was taken about 15 seconds after I pressed on it, and it's already green/blue.
Here's what it looks like when the cap's cut in two. I didn't have to press on the flesh any, as it was already bruising fast.
To answer some additional questions from above, it bruises with pretty light contact (picking it caused the cap to bruise noticably after a few seconds). The cap feels somewhere between smooth and velvety. I can't see any hairs on it, but it's not slick.
It's growing under a Pecan tree. Our house is in what used to be a pecan grove.
Thanks again for the help! Dave
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Re: Weird red underground mushroom ID request [Re: razorbladeshoes]
#5811880 - 07/02/06 09:04 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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They key out as one of 3 species - Boletus campestris, B. fraternus, or B. rubellus.
If you cut the stem in half, B. campestris and B. fraternus will be yellow throughout, but B. rubellus will be reddish orange inside near the base of the stem. Photographs I've seen of this suggest that the feature is not as obvious as that description makes it sound.
Mature specimens of B. fraternus develop obvious cracking on the surface of the cap, and B. campestris will sometimes, but not to the same degree.
Overall, they look closest to B. rubellus, which is of unknown edibility. B. campestris is listed as edible and B. fraternus as edible with caution. Of the 3, the only one I'd seriously consider eating would be B. campestris.
The book I'm using to key these out is North American Boletes, by Bessette, Roody, and Bessette. If you want to learn about boletes (and a few of the similar polypores), it's an outstanding book.
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Re: Weird red underground mushroom ID request [Re: ToxicMan]
#5811974 - 07/02/06 09:50 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice ! a Pecan tree in the yard......thanks for those pics....love it.....in the first pic your brain is just telling you that those would be just normal sized growing out of a vertical dirt wall which I've seen so many times......then the quarter just brings it all into perspective....have to ever heard the old 60s song 'White Rabbit ' by the ' Jefferson Airplane ' ?....." and you've just had some kind of mushroom.......go ask Alice when shes........"(out of key)...classic find there.
I've always thought this group among the most striking with the bright sometimes highly differentiated contrasting bicolored caps and then the blue thrown in there.....that mycelial hair at the bottom is very interesting.
If you have Aroras book all the species listed by Toxic which would be most probable are listed under the Boletus bicolor description for reference but I dont think youll get any closer to exact species with what he (Arora) provides for those species other than possibly if you had them popping up in your lawn as Boletus campestris can do as the species name implies or the possible aerolate cap in age of Boletus fraternus as Toxic mentioned....well cut that stem open see what you got......thanks for that digging Toxic.
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