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Chavez... gotta love the guy
    #5599495 - 05/06/06 11:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hugo Chavez wants to be declared El Presidente for the next twenty-five years.

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CARACAS, Venezuela - President Hugo Chavez said Saturday that Venezuelan voters should have the chance to decide whether he should govern the country for the next 25 years.

Speaking at a stadium packed with supporters in central Lara state, Chavez said he would hold a referendum to put the question of his remaining in office to Venezuelans if the opposition pulls out of upcoming presidential elections.

“I am going to ask you, all the people, if you agree with Chavez being president until 2031,” he said.




http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060507/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_referendum_1



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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: Phred]
    #5599531 - 05/07/06 12:01 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hooray for Democracy!

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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: Phred]
    #5600060 - 05/07/06 02:59 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

And what is wrong with this; if he's doing a good job and the people of Venezuela want him to kick around, why not?

At least he's giving them the option
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I am going to ask you, all the people, if you agree with Chavez being president until 2031




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I would call a national referendum to have the people decide if I can continue here indefinitely or if I have to go after six years




That he is even considering putting this to a vote shows he has a massive amount of support from the people.
This is Democracy in action - he is giving the Venezuelans a rather large say in the way their government is going to be functioning for the next 30 years.

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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: MagillaGorilla]
    #5600086 - 05/07/06 03:23 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Or it could mean that he has the means to rig an election.

Either way, it seems like he wants to be Dictator for life.

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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: gregorio]
    #5600281 - 05/07/06 07:04 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I prefer King of Bhutan.

in 1998 he gave up absolute power, and in 2005 he sent every house a new draft constitution that allowed for his impeachment.
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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: Phred]
    #5600426 - 05/07/06 08:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

nothing wrong with a benevolent, well-intentioned dictator.

unfortunately, I do not know chavez well enough to call him as such.

but if his actions are wise and his intentions good, what harm can come from it?

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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: Phred]
    #5601929 - 05/07/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

His Castro obsession is totally out of hand. Hopefully, the people of Venezuela can see through this and make the right choice.


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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: Gijith]
    #5603936 - 05/08/06 03:24 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hopefully, the people of Venezuela can see through this and make the right choice

I have no doubt the people of Venezuela will make the right choice.

He's tackling poverty and corruption, he's the first ever indigenous Bolivian president - and then there's that jumper. No wonder they adore him at home

Morales has put Bolivia on the map. His inauguration two weeks ago has electrified Latin American politics; he is, after all, the first indigenous Bolivian - an Aymara - to hold the highest office in the land. Morales has promised to channel more of the proceeds of Bolivia's vast oil and gas reserves to his poorest people, the poorest in all South America. And he has already taken significant steps to eradicate discrimination and exploitation.

Foreign diplomats in the capital, La Paz, admit he is that rarest of things - an honest, incorruptible politician with an urgent desire to improve the lot of his people.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1705476,00.html

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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: Alex213]
    #5603974 - 05/08/06 03:50 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

He feels their love so much that explains why he is scared to put his power up to a vote on a regular basis.

Beware.

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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: gregorio]
    #5603980 - 05/08/06 03:59 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The last count I heard was he'd won 8 elections, referendums and plebicites in 6 years.

It looks like the people have finally seen through the free market capitalist bullshit and want change.

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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: Alex213]
    #5603990 - 05/08/06 04:20 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

What change?

To never be able to vote again, because that is what Chavez is pushing for.

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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: gregorio]
    #5604013 - 05/08/06 04:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Bear in mind he's asking people to vote on this. If they don't want it, they don't vote for it and it doesn't happen.

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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: Alex213]
    #5604043 - 05/08/06 05:14 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

25 years is a very long time.

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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: gregorio]
    #5604154 - 05/08/06 07:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Perhaps after decades of right-wing corruption and rich corporations taking fortunes out of the country the people don't see 25 years as such a long time. We'll have to see how they vote.

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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: gregorio]
    #5604249 - 05/08/06 08:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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gregorio said:
What change?

To never be able to vote again, because that is what Chavez is pushing for.




It's OK to bend the rules if you are doing it for the worker. (Chavez loves his people and will take care of them) :rofl2:


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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5604259 - 05/08/06 08:46 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Chavez loves his people and will take care of them

Looks like it.

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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: Alex213]
    #5604275 - 05/08/06 08:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Viva la revolucion!




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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5604371 - 05/08/06 09:46 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i wonder what Che would say about his face being all over posters t-shirts and pop culture.


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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: kotik]
    #5604400 - 05/08/06 10:03 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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kotik said:
i wonder what Che would say about his face being all over posters t-shirts and pop culture.




"When the fuck do I get payed for all these t-shirts?!!?"


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Re: Chavez... gotta love the guy [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5604407 - 05/08/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
It's OK to bend the rules if you are doing it for the worker.




Is he bending the rules? Does Venezuala have a constitution that states democratically elected leaders only serve for a certain term?

I agree that I wouldn't stand for such an action here, that is a lot of power for one man to have. But if the people of Venezuala are down than thats democracy. Gotta love it or leave it.


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