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OfflineHUBSonDUBS
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VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why?(NOT B/C OF DEHYDRATOR)
    #5335919 - 02/24/06 08:02 PM (18 years, 27 days ago)

So ive always grown BRF shrooms and potency was def. there and i stepped up to growing with hpoo wow the shrooms were huge (B+) but potency is almost nothing i ate a 1/4 dry and felt almost nothing. Why is this my brf shrooms were much more potent?***ALSO I USED A FOOD DEHDYRATOR FOR THE FIRST TIME SET AT 135 DEG????????*********


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #5335929 - 02/24/06 08:05 PM (18 years, 27 days ago)

Two reasons that come to mind.. you've eaten shrooms recently and have built up a tolerance. I find it takes about a month for my tolerance to go back down. or maybe you let them get grow longer, get bigger, and picked them after the veil breaks. I found that i noticed a drop in potency when I let that happen. I cant say for sure but thats the first things that came to mind

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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: Teknos]
    #5335938 - 02/24/06 08:09 PM (18 years, 27 days ago)

No its not a tolerance some of my friends had never shroomed and i let them have some and still they haven't shroomed and i haven't eatn shroooms for about a month but yes i let them grow for another 3 days after the vield dropped and the caps got wavy


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #5335969 - 02/24/06 08:23 PM (18 years, 27 days ago)

yea I had some that I let open up, and about 3 of us ate 3.5g each and no one felt anything....

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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: Teknos]
    #5336082 - 02/24/06 09:02 PM (18 years, 27 days ago)

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Teknos said:
Two reasons that come to mind.. you've eaten shrooms recently and have built up a tolerance. I find it takes about a month for my tolerance to go back down. or maybe you let them get grow longer, get bigger, and picked them after the veil breaks. I found that i noticed a drop in potency when I let that happen. I cant say for sure but thats the first things that came to mind




uh... that's bullshit my man.
i've been growing cakes since the tail end of the 90's...
i can eat 1-2 grams (or more)and trip myy fucking ass off
then turn around and do it the next night.
there is an issue of tolerance to consider,
but this isnt what Hubs is talking about...

this is what i've always feared about bulk
(and i'm in the middle of my first poo/spawn run now)
you can say what you want, but gram for gram - my cake grown shrooms have ALWAYS, A L W A Y S dusted anything else in town.
and thats no shit.

Hubs...
i feel your pain and i hope i'm not asking the same question in a month or two.


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: krill]
    #5336092 - 02/24/06 09:05 PM (18 years, 27 days ago)

example...

the other day i laid 3 grams of my cake grown shrooms on a buddy of mine. he's young and inexperienced w/ psychedelics

he ate 2 dry (dessicated) grams the first night and fried his ASS OFF!

the VERY NEXT NIGHT he took the remaining ONE GRAM
powdered it and used the lemon juice shot method
and tripped 2-3 times HARDER than the night BEFORE!!!

on TOP of all this...
these shrooms were harvested last summer
and have been presereved ever since.

tolerance is a mundane detail.


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: krill]
    #5336099 - 02/24/06 09:08 PM (18 years, 27 days ago)

well everyone is different maybe YOU can trip every night but not everyone. anyhoo the dehydrator could be your problem, think about it. what variables did you change then you should narrow down what the problem was. most people swear by poo so unless you got some freak poo...


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: skeletor]
    #5336118 - 02/24/06 09:12 PM (18 years, 27 days ago)

i agree w/ Skeletor on the heat issue

135 degrees IS a BIT much.
it doesn't get that hot in nature, so...

and, i can't trip every night.
my point is, no one should be able to eat enough Shrooms that you can't get off when you eat them.

even with pyramid dosing LSD...
youcould go every night for a week and STILL GET SOMETHING OFF OF IT.


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: krill]
    #5336249 - 02/24/06 09:59 PM (18 years, 27 days ago)

I'm sure I have seen on this website and many others HEAT Kills The active chemical in mushrooms. Try killing the heat in the dehydrator and let them dry naturally!

......but then again I'm sure I could be wrong!...and I was wrong!

Edited by Rickster (02/24/06 10:10 PM)

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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: Rickster]
    #5336275 - 02/24/06 10:09 PM (18 years, 27 days ago)

I recenlty read a thread where some of the more experienced growers on shroomery said that anything at i believe 135 degrees or lower should not lower potency to the extent of anything near noticable. So I dont think it was the dehydrator being that most people use dehydrators many times at that same temp and never have any problems. Maybe it was just a bad batch, weak spore genetics...? Where these prints you made yourself or clones?


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: Akira]
    #5336843 - 02/25/06 01:29 AM (18 years, 27 days ago)

psilocybin has a melthing point of 400 F.  Drying your shrooms at 200 F will not affect your potency one bit.

You most likely generated a shitty substrain, it happens, you're not the only this has happened to.  Just start up a new grow and go at it again, its dissapointing yes, but once you get yourself a good strain on poo you'll see why BRF just doesnt compare.
BRF = OK
Poo = Grab you by the balls and squeeze :laugh:


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: coda]
    #5336851 - 02/25/06 01:33 AM (18 years, 27 days ago)

>>Poo = Grab you by the balls and squeeze<<

Then drag you around....... :grin:


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: agar]
    #5336860 - 02/25/06 01:36 AM (18 years, 27 days ago)

Yes, for the millionth time on these forums. Food dehydrators do not ruin potency111!!!1one one!!!1!1


If heat above 135?F ruined potency, then how would you explain making shroom tea? Oh.. that's right.. it doesn't.

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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: Blek]
    #5336960 - 02/25/06 02:04 AM (18 years, 27 days ago)

although psilocybin and related compounds have high breakdown temps, isn't it entirely dependant on the presence of oxygen?
Oxidization is what make shrooms les potent, that's why you don't want to bruise your mushrooms all up, as it breaks down the molecular structure of the shroom, thereby forcing oxygen onto the psilocybin and stuff.
why do you guys think that shrooms are always recomended to be stored in AIR TIGHT containers? and what about that guy who made that tek on replacing the air in shroom storage containers with fridge coolant?

the dehydrator is what fucked you over man. a very high temp (compared to the temps in the shrooms life cycle) broke down the shrooms while drying.

The dehydrator didn't just dry your shrooms, it 'melted' (in a sense) your shrooms while exposing them to massive amounts of oxygen, and then dried them out.

Where did all the smart people go?  :confused: :stars:

Fan dry your shrooms next time. Although it increases air flow around the mushies, they aren't being broke down on a molecular level, because your house (with the air current) isn't going to be 135F!

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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: NESpores]
    #5337105 - 02/25/06 03:29 AM (18 years, 27 days ago)

Jesus...not this debate again?

How do you old timers put up with this?


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: NESpores]
    #5337142 - 02/25/06 04:23 AM (18 years, 26 days ago)

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although psilocybin and related compounds have high breakdown temps, isn't it entirely dependant on the presence of oxygen?
Oxidization is what make shrooms les potent, that's why you don't want to bruise your mushrooms all up, as it breaks down the molecular structure of the shroom, thereby forcing oxygen onto the psilocybin and stuff.
why do you guys think that shrooms are always recomended to be stored in AIR TIGHT containers? and what about that guy who made that tek on replacing the air in shroom storage containers with fridge coolant?

the dehydrator is what fucked you over man. a very high temp (compared to the temps in the shrooms life cycle) broke down the shrooms while drying.

The dehydrator didn't just dry your shrooms, it 'melted' (in a sense) your shrooms while exposing them to massive amounts of oxygen, and then dried them out.

Where did all the smart people go?  :confused: :stars:

Fan dry your shrooms next time. Although it increases air flow around the mushies, they aren't being broke down on a molecular level, because your house (with the air current) isn't going to be 135F!

peace





No offense, but that whole statement didn't make too much sense. If oxygen is what causes the loss of potency, then wouldn't fanning them be worse than using a dehydrator, being that fanning them takes longer to dry and therefore exposes them to more oxygen?

Also, there have been other threads about heat and it's effects (or lack thereof) on potency. His shrooms certainly weren't "melted" in any way. I've been using my dehydrator now for awhile now and have had the temps as high as 155F without any noticeable loss in potency.

Shrooms can have different potency from flush to flush, cluster to cluster, shroom to shroom. It's just nature. Try again.


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: Delinquentes]
    #5337150 - 02/25/06 04:27 AM (18 years, 26 days ago)

I just tried to trip off shrooms I grew myself using the PFTEK method with BRF/Verm (Koh Samui strain) and even a fairly good dose for me (1.4g dried grams ground into grapefruit juice) did barely anything at all to me. They blued a little from handling but not bad, and were fan dried for 18 hours after picking (down to about 65 percent dry based on weight). Should eating an eighth of BRF shrooms give you a level 3 trip if your tolerance for shrooms is TYPICALLY 3.5 for a level 3? (For reference, 1.3g in grapefruit juice is stronger than 3.5 straight up for me).

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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #5337249 - 02/25/06 07:10 AM (18 years, 26 days ago)

Quote:

HUBSonDUBS said:
So ive always grown BRF shrooms and potency was def. there and i stepped up to growing with hpoo wow the shrooms were huge (B+) but potency is almost nothing i ate a 1/4 dry and felt almost nothing. Why is this my brf shrooms were much more potent?***ALSO I USED A FOOD DEHDYRATOR FOR THE FIRST TIME SET AT 135 DEG????????*********




Not all horse poo is created equal. Was yours fresh and then leached? Or was it well aged? Was it full of white flecks of organisms known as firefang?

These are all things you need to consider when looking for horse poo. I always look for the most white I can find.


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: Delinquentes]
    #5337356 - 02/25/06 08:32 AM (18 years, 26 days ago)

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Jesus...not this debate again?

How do you old timers put up with this?




We just ignore those who won't listen.
People still think dehyrators are bad cause someone said so... a long time ago, and everyone else kept repeating it.
Keep in mind... some people still think the earth is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, and the people of democratic governments are free!

Go figure!  :smile:

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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: Shdwstr]
    #5337446 - 02/25/06 09:29 AM (18 years, 26 days ago)

Yeah I really disagree with anyone who says that dehydrators lower potency and I've never even tried using one! I say this on the basis that "many" people here have been using dehydrators to dry their mushrooms and have not ever had this problem......It doesnt make sense, otherwise EVERYONE would have complained about this problem, but mysteriously no one has...  :confused:


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