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BigGhost
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Cubensis And Sub Cubensis... The difference?
#5317327 - 02/19/06 06:24 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have been wondering what the difference is for awhile now. What makes a Sub Cubensis, different from a Cubensis and vice versa. Any input would be appreciated.
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RogerRabbit
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Re: Cubensis And Sub Cubensis... The difference? [Re: BigGhost]
#5318901 - 02/20/06 08:26 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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You may have seen the term 'substrain' used here. It refers to the various matings of compatable mycelium that generate into sectors from the same sporeprint. Technically, anytime mycelium mates up to become dikaryotic, a strain is born. However, it's what we normally refer to in the OMC as a substrain. RR
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BigGhost
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Re: Cubensis And Sub Cubensis... The difference? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5319948 - 02/20/06 01:24 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: You may have seen the term 'substrain' used here. It refers to the various matings of compatable mycelium that generate into sectors from the same sporeprint. Technically, anytime mycelium mates up to become dikaryotic, a strain is born. However, it's what we normally refer to in the OMC as a substrain. RR
I see, that explains alot. Very much appreciated.
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Anno
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Re: Cubensis And Sub Cubensis... The difference? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5322936 - 02/21/06 04:14 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: You may have seen the term 'substrain' used here. It refers to the various matings of compatable mycelium that generate into sectors from the same sporeprint. Technically, anytime mycelium mates up to become dikaryotic, a strain is born. However, it's what we normally refer to in the OMC as a substrain. RR
But...isn't P. subcubensis supposed to be a sister species of P. cubensis? See http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1508976
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Re: Cubensis And Sub Cubensis... The difference? [Re: BigGhost]
#5323669 - 02/21/06 11:12 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah, according to the latin psilocybe subcubensis is a completely different species than psilocybe cubensis. If it is a strain or a subspecies it should be renamed Psilocybe cubensis var. subcubensis, or whatever they want to name the strain
But i guess its all arbitrary meaning in the end
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Re: Cubensis And Sub Cubensis... The difference? [Re: BigGhost]
#5323762 - 02/21/06 11:45 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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According to Guzm?n, the actual difference is in the size of the spores of Psilocybe subcubensis Guzm?n. They are smaller than those of Psilocybe cubensis [Earle] Sing.
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RogerRabbit
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Re: Cubensis And Sub Cubensis... The difference? [Re: mjshroomer]
#5327087 - 02/22/06 03:12 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting. Learn something everyday. Thanks guys. RR
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Re: Cubensis And Sub Cubensis... The difference? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5850957 - 07/12/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Subcubensis is not really a separate species. It was a mistake classifying them as a new species. New genetic data shows that they are the same species. The published sequence for subcubensis is identical to the consensus cubensis sequence.
See here... Genetic Relationship of Psilocybe Species... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=Forum4&Number=5707109
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Re: Cubensis And Sub Cubensis... The difference? [Re: mjshroomer]
#5872325 - 07/18/06 04:10 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ofcourse you cannot delineate a species based purely on a smaller spore size in about ten collections. He never did compatibility tests and if one does that they will find that cubensis and guzman's subcubensis are the compatible - they are the same species.
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Re: Cubensis And Sub Cubensis... The difference? [Re: Zen Peddler]
#5873865 - 07/18/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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bluemeanie said: Ofcourse you cannot delineate a species based purely on a smaller spore size in about ten collections. He never did compatibility tests and if one does that they will find that cubensis and guzman's subcubensis are the compatible - they are the same species.
Actually I have found it surprisingly common to find individuals classified as species mate with individuals of other species. This is confusing because one of the concepts taught in all of our intro bio classes is that species cannot cross mate, and have viable offspring. Oak trees hybridize like crazy, and their hybrid offspring hybridize with all kinds of other oaks. I actually find the concept of species to be almost imaginary, it seems very dynamic, for lack of a better word.
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