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TrauM
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Becoming Christian?
#5187334 - 01/16/06 02:30 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey, its me again with another question for the shroomerites 
I made a friend this summer who is a Christian, he told me about how he was living a life of crime and when he was in prison he heard Jesus talk to him and say all he has to do is give himself over to the lord.
Since my friend has became Christian, he met a girl who is now his wife, and he has his own house. He always prays before meals, he never swears, and doesn't smoke or drink.
He has tried to get me to become Christian, we have had many debates about the issues of life (I am more of an evolutionist), and we never come to an agreement.
Today at work I carried out quite a long conversation with another Christian who moved here from another country. He explained things a bit differently, and made it sound much better.
I feel like becoming Christian would be a great thing for me, it would make me feel better and possibly get me out of a few problems I have right now. But the thing is, I cant really look at a life of no drinking, no rock music, no gambling, etc...
I am a nice guy as it is, I pray every night to god (although im not Christian), and I will always go out of my way to help someone who deserves it. Im kind of puzzled, half of me wants to make this change, the other half says fuck it life is life, your born, you live, and you die just like all others.
Also - There is so much corruption in the world (government officials, lawyers, police departments, border officers), so many people are stabbing someone elses back for the bigger dollar, am I going to just live life the "right way" (according to Christians) and cut myself short of quick cash, sex with nice girls, and a few pints of booze on the week-ends?
Is there something im missing? Maybe someone can make this seem not so bad. Thanks for reading, have a good evening!
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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: TrauM]
#5187422 - 01/16/06 02:55 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Turning to Christ can indeed change one's heart, as it seems to have done for your friend. That's what it did for me. Unfortunately, some people seem to think that accepting Christ as your Lord and Savior means you have to swallow every piece of Christian propaganda that's fed to you, as he also seems to have done. When I became a Christian, I didn't stop believing in evolution, nor did I go around trying to push my beliefs onto others, because quite frankly, I don't think either of those things has anything to do with Christ's message. As for the stuff about no drinking, rock music, gambling, etc., that's bullshit. It was during an acid trip that Christ revealed himself to me, so why would he condemn the same activities which turned me towards him? You just need to take things in moderation. I don't believe that Christianity is for everyone. I think it is one of many paths to God. Jesus said, "He who is not against me is for me."(Mark 9:40). So do what you know in your heart to be right, and follow whatever path works for you. Christ does not condemn the righteous man.
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CherryBom
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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: TrauM]
#5187424 - 01/16/06 02:56 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't do it. They'll brainwash you!
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CaptainH13
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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: CherryBom]
#5187438 - 01/16/06 03:03 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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CherryBom said: Don't do it. They'll brainwash you!
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nonick
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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: CaptainH13]
#5187479 - 01/16/06 03:18 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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fuck christianity (board rules prohibit me from flaming you directly for considering such a thing)
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DNKYD
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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: TrauM]
#5187503 - 01/16/06 03:24 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Please don't turn centuries old fairy tales into your belief system. They've already go their grip on far too many.
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goobler
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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: CherryBom]
#5187510 - 01/16/06 03:26 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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horrible thing to say
turning to christ is different than going to church every sunday.
its all about love
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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: TrauM]
#5187552 - 01/16/06 03:35 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is a really good post that you made. Very insightful. You should just join the Greek Orthodox. They can do anything and be forgiven, in the morning.
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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: nonick]
#5187575 - 01/16/06 03:40 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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To say fuck Christianity is like turning your back on certain answers that you will never allow yourself to know. There are many paths to the center, I think, but to condemn one as total bullshit is not the way to be. That is your decision, though. Do as you must. I just try and keep my mind open to all things and determine what benefits me and what I can learn from them. There are hypocrites in every social scene. That is all.
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automan
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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: TrauM]
#5187585 - 01/16/06 03:43 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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the reason i am not and can not be christian is because of the most fundamental of christian doctorine... the one and only way to get to heaven is through jesus.
when i die. i want to go where gandhi went. according to christianity, he won be able to go to heaven.
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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: automan]
#5187594 - 01/16/06 03:45 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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automan said: the reason i am not and can not be christian is because of the most fundamental of christian doctorine... the one and only way to get to heaven is through jesus.
That is not the most fundamental Christian doctrine. The most fundamental are the two greatest commandments:
1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and all your mind, and all your soul.
2. Love your neighbor as yourself.
The rest is just commentary.
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CaptainH13
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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: automan]
#5187599 - 01/16/06 03:46 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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i had a girlfriend said her dieing wish would be for me to "accept Jesus in my heart"
and told me i was going to hell often...
that wasn't very friendly
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automan
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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: Silversoul]
#5187604 - 01/16/06 03:50 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Paradigm said:
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automan said: the reason i am not and can not be christian is because of the most fundamental of christian doctorine... the one and only way to get to heaven is through jesus.
That is not the most fundamental Christian doctrine. The most fundamental are the two greatest commandments:
1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and all your mind, and all your soul.
2. Love your neighbor as yourself.
The rest is just commentary.
come on man... those are the tenents of all major religions.
if you dont believe that the only way to heaven is through jesus, you arent christian.
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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: CaptainH13]
#5187605 - 01/16/06 03:50 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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The turn or burn Christians are the most prone to becoming the worst hypocrites ever!
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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: automan]
#5187627 - 01/16/06 03:54 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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automan said: come on man... those are the tenents of all major religions.
if you dont believe that the only way to heaven is through jesus, you arent christian.
That's what the Evangelicals would like you to believe, but frankly, Christianity is broader than that. I'm a Christian because I accept Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior. I believe there are other paths to God, but Christianity is my path. Believe it or not, there are plenty of Christian denominations that aren't a bunch of assholes.
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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: Silversoul]
#5187641 - 01/16/06 04:00 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Jesus did not ask for organized religion, ,he wanted each of us to worship in our own way. That is something man did to control
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onetime
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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: goobler]
#5187679 - 01/16/06 04:07 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well if you want proof that god exsists your at the right site. Here you can learn how you can grow the original sin. Once your mushrooms grow and you eat them you will be taken to what the world would be like if we never ate them off the tree to begin with. God allows us to continue to eat them just to show us what we are missing out on. Chistains are on the right track but are far from right. God dosnt care what words we use each day becouse words are man made and dont mean a thing. God speaks with feallings and love. Its foolish to think that its a sin to brake mans law when man makes laws that are sinfull to follow. The majority of poeple pray with words and not fealings. Those prayers are never answerd. Once people start praying to God with fealings from their hart they will have no dought that God is real. I cant imageing what it would be like to me shrooming and have God be pissed at you.
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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: onetime]
#5187686 - 01/16/06 04:08 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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WOW
just
WOW
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onetime
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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: Silversoul]
#5187732 - 01/16/06 04:19 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is not the most fundamental Christian doctrine. The most fundamental are the two greatest commandments:
2. Love your neighbor as yourself.
The rest is just commentary.
this is becouse every male is the Adam and every Female is Eve. I am sure that If we accuritely decoded DNA insted of figured out most of it and determin that if "x is c then d can only f" type of math we would discover that are dna only verries from the way that it was folded/grew.
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Re: Becoming Christian? [Re: onetime]
#5187753 - 01/16/06 04:25 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't you think we'd all be retarded by now if we really did come from Adam and Eve? We'd all be inbred. Like Arkansas.
Someone posted this a while ago, but I forget who. Every time I hear something about religion I think of it. It reminds me that we are all our own "god", the masters of our own domain. It also makes me hope that, for humanity's sake, we will rid ourselves of the crutch we call religion.
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I Am That I Am
I have, at last, reached MY goal, And solved the secret of MY soul. I am THAT, to whom I prayed, THAT, to whom I looked for aid. I am THAT, whom I did seek. I am MY own mountain peak.
I, upon creation look, As a page from MY own book. For I am the ONE, the many make, Of substance, which from ME I take. For ALL is ME, there are not two, Creation is MYSELF, all through.
What I grant, unto MYSELF, I just take, from MYSELF. And give it to ME, the only ONE, For I am the Mother, Father, and the Son.
What I want, I do but see, MY wishes flowing forth from ME. For I am the knower, and the known, Subject, ruler, and the throne. The three in ONE, is what I am, And hell itself is but a dam, That I did put in MY own stream, When in a nightmare, I did dream.
That I did dream; That I was not the only ONE, And thus by ME, was doubt begun, Which ran its course, 'til I awoke, And found that I, with ME, did joke. So now, that I do stand awake, MY throne, I do surely take, And rule MY kingdom, which is ME, The master, through eternity."
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