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Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms
    #5168021 - 01/11/06 03:42 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Because everyone says something different. I am drying a batch right now in my nesco food dryer which many recommend. Some say that mushrooms can take up to 200 degrees without losing potency, some say that heat destroys potency. Anyone done a legit study on this and seen/experienced results for themselves?


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: Barnelby]
    #5168139 - 01/11/06 04:11 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I havent seen a study, but the most logical explanation I have seen is that psilocin is the most unstable of the three major active alkoloids. (Psilocybin, Psilocin, and baeosytin(sp)?). It starts to break down as soon as the fruit is harvested. Psilocybin is a much more stable chemical. Therefore it is the main alkaloid that you consume, and to a lesser degree baeosystin. If you are able to boil dry material into a tea at which temps are at least 212 degrees for a period of time, then surely a food dehydrator, even set at 150 should have mininimal to no effect on potency. I think the most common setting though around here is about 100. I have consumed tea many times prepared at a fairly high temp and each time I have trouble finishing the brew before I start to feel strong effects. By no means is this scientific in nature but I thought I would give a stab at it anyways. Have fun and be safe. Peace!


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: Aiko Aiko]
    #5168201 - 01/11/06 04:36 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, a bit of heat is alright, but there's really no need to push the limit. Just keep the heat down around 150 if possible, so that you can have peace of mind.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: Barnelby]
    #5168377 - 01/11/06 05:21 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

From a previous post - If I post this often enough, someone might finally get it :wink:

Here is the Data

Notice the temps listed 220C - 228C, That's 428F - 442F and it's the melting temp only.
If you take a solid and raise it's temp to its melting point, it becomes liquid.
Return that same liquid to it's solid temp and... you get the same original solid (it is not destroyed)
So... Psilocybin IS NOT DESTROYED at temps as high as 442F

Notice the temp for Psilocin, and that it is only measured in Methanol.
That is because in water... the oxygen molocules of the water would oxidize it and desrtoy it. (Not the heat)
So... when you dry your shrooms, The active ingredients of Psilocybin and Psilocin are exposed to oxygen destroying the Psilocin but not the Psilocybin, no matter what the temp is.

Keep in mind that this only refers to the chemical form... not live mycellium.

Lesson over, class may now eat their science projects :laugh:

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: Shdwstr]
    #5168462 - 01/11/06 05:34 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Haha thanks a lot, man. I'll be sending some prints your way in the future  :thumbup:


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: Barnelby]
    #5168713 - 01/11/06 06:32 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

air dry, air dry, air dry. use a fan to air dry out the first 80% or so of moisture out of the shrooms. this only takes 6-24 hours depending on what kinda shrooms ya got.

air drying will preserve alot of your potency (as much as poss.) and THEN go on to use heat (u using a food de-hy?) or desiccant. but, really, a damp rid chamber is better and easier than using a dehydrator anyways imo...


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: krill]
    #5168808 - 01/11/06 06:50 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Wow! I have to totally disagree with you on this one. It doesnt get much easier than throwing a rack full of fungus in a dehydrator and forgeting about them for 48 hours. No powder to deal with. I have never reached the cracker dry state in 48 hours with a desicant and certainly not with air drying. If you ever use a dehydrator you will see there is no loss in potency.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: krill]
    #5168897 - 01/11/06 07:10 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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krill said: but, really, a damp rid chamber is better and easier than using a dehydrator anyways imo...




I disagree.

Ten lbs of wet fruit contains 9 lbs of moisture.

A damp-rid chamber would have to hold one hell of a lot of damp-rid to effectively dry that out. You have to replace or rejuvenate damp rid after each use.

A Nesco dehydrator with an adjustable heat thermostat will last you 10 or 15 years. It's as simple as load it, set it & check it tomorrow.

That is as simple, quick, easy & effective - as you can get.

I would wager, my Nesco will outlast & outperform ONE TON of damp-rid.



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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: agar]
    #5168946 - 01/11/06 07:21 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

yea i have to agree with agar with my nesco the max that i have put in there is about 7.5 lbs wet and it was cracker dry in about 1.5 days


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: Barnelby]
    #5168969 - 01/11/06 07:26 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Chunk all of your harvest in a cardboard box under a ceilingfan going top speed for 48 hrs
Then use desiccant to finish the job..Drying 101


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: TxTec]
    #5169076 - 01/11/06 07:50 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Chunk all of your harvest in a cardboard box under a ceilingfan going top speed for 48 hrs Then use desiccant to finish the job..Drying 101




That is IF YOU HAVE A CEILING FAN.
If not, I would buy a NESCO dehydrator, rather than a ceiling fan.

I would think you would have to build a stack of large cardboard box's to get the shrooms close enough to a CEILING FAN, to be effective. I don't think that would make good decor in the center of any room for 2 days.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: TxTec]
    #5169080 - 01/11/06 07:52 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Dehydrators make things really easy. The only problem I have with them is that I don't like to cut off my caps :frown:.  I enjoy harvesting and drying a really nice WHOLE mushroom specimen.  I guess I see them as trophies perhaps....

On a side note:
If you wish to give mushrooms to your friends and remain secretive about your hobby (good idea).  Besides the fact you might be unusually generous people often find it odd to see nice whole mushrooms without all the dust that comes from handling.....


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: agar]
    #5169085 - 01/11/06 07:53 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

It makes a great decor in my house :cool:, you dont have to get them any closer than 5 feet away
I just fill up the boxes and let the fan do the rest :smirk:


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: agar]
    #5169098 - 01/11/06 07:59 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

De-hydratators are to small for my harvests :mushroom2:
I wouldnt ever cut up a shroom to dry it, thats sacreligious to me




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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: TxTec]
    #5169102 - 01/11/06 08:00 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Chunk all of your harvest in a cardboard box under a ceilingfan going top speed for 48 hrs
Then use desiccant to finish the job..Drying 101




Thats what I do and it works perfect. Although I'm getting a dehydrator within the next 2 weeks. This tho, will definately hold me over until then.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: TxTec]
    #5169153 - 01/11/06 08:17 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Great pic, txtec. What strain is that and what is your growing method? Those look awesome!!


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: TxTec]
    #5169172 - 01/11/06 08:26 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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De-hydratators are to small for my harvests :mushroom2:
I wouldnt ever cut up a shroom to dry it, thats sacreligious to me






You can build a dehydrator any size you want.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: agar]
    #5169211 - 01/11/06 08:38 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

How did I see THAT^^^ comming :smile:

Come to think of it I might not even have to cut mah shrooms if I had a unit like that one.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: musher_420]
    #5169247 - 01/11/06 08:50 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Dehydrators make things really easy. The only problem I have with them is that I don't like to cut off my caps :frown:.  I enjoy harvesting and drying a really nice WHOLE mushroom specimen.  I guess I see them as trophies perhaps....




For the Nesco type ...couldn't the tray part be removed on 1 or 2, and then it would act as a spacer for the big ones..?


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5169255 - 01/11/06 08:52 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

It might be just me, but I do notice a loss in potency when useing my ronco (even though I still use it).


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: Snaggletooth] * 2
    #5169262 - 01/11/06 08:54 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Snaggle tooth do you mean like cutting out the center of the tray to leave the outside ring? If so. This would reduce the amount of mushrooms you could fit into the dehydrator. Not to mention those trays arn't exactly CHEAP for what they are.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: musher_420]
    #5169277 - 01/11/06 09:00 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah...though I did not know that they were not cheap.

And since there stackable...up to 12 is it..then one or two trays could be sacafied to make more room....I was just thinking out loud.

I haven't had the problem of too big caps...yet :grin:...but I have no idea :tongue2:

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: musher_420] * 1
    #5169300 - 01/11/06 09:05 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

well, i guess i stand corrected. i've never used a dehydrator cuz i've never wanted to F w/ buying one. i have never had a problem getting freshly picked shrooms 80% dry (finger-tight, if ya will) w/ box fans set horizontally on milk crates.

Agar said "9 lbs of 10 lbs of wet shrooms is water" VERY TRUE. which is why i say air-drying the 1st 80% of water out (takes less than 12-24 hours) and THEN dessicating so they'll be cracker hard. i always let them desiccate for 2 full days before bagging and tagging (or storing for long term).

i just always tried to stay away from heat.

i would NEVER throw wet shrooms into a damp-rid chamber. they would be mushy and blue by the time they dried... and would've lost alot of potency by that point.

maybe a dehydrator is a better bet, but box fans and plastic desiccant chambers have always fit the budget and never let me down.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: krill]
    #5171105 - 01/12/06 07:58 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

i believe magash said that he would fill those trays up and have to place a jar of water on top, because he had soo many in there. even if you have a very large fruit. stick it in the nesco, and squish it down... it's gonna shrink anyway. 90% water.

load up those trays, and bango! cracker dry in like 8 hrs. WHOLE CROPS!
i like my nesco dehydrator... it goes down to 95 degree F


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: Oatman2000]
    #5171107 - 01/12/06 07:59 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

nesco has a model that can fit 30 trays.

it's in the book when you buy one.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: Orranis]
    #5171256 - 01/12/06 09:06 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

well if you want to bring chemical analysisinto it, then you would be screwing yourself because each mushroom has a different level of psilocybin from the next. i beleive you would have to do a general range and not an exact figure, not being able to prove you or myself right or wrong.

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: thenewguy05]
    #5171522 - 01/12/06 10:40 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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How can any of you make an accurate note of potentcy without actually taking a chemical analysis of your mushrooms




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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: coda]
    #5171610 - 01/12/06 11:03 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

my friend swears that using a fan to dry actually causes loss in potency b/c the bruising turns black and the shrooms look ugly. he says id have more potent and nicer looking mushrooms with a dehydrator. any truth to this?

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: thekeeper]
    #5171800 - 01/12/06 11:48 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

200 is way too hot. I oven dried some fruit trying to get some sort of feel for the highest temperature you could get up to without damaging potency. I found that there was a dramatic degrade past 160 degrees. 150 is max IME's

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: thekeeper]
    #5171827 - 01/12/06 11:57 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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my friend swears that using a fan to dry actually causes loss in potency b/c the bruising turns black and the shrooms look ugly. he says id have more potent and nicer looking mushrooms with a dehydrator. any truth to this?

-shaw


i find this statement untrue as the blueing reaction is going to happen anyway. what you are witnessing is the oxidation of psilocin not to be confused with psilocybin. psilocin is an unstable chemical and breaks with air exposure. psilocybin is far more stable and that is what is preserved in the magic mushrooms. when you injest them, psilocybin breaks down into psilocin in the body causeing you to "trip". by no means does this mean that fan drying is degrading the potency in any way(unless they start to rot or something). if there were any truth to this then there would be some explaining to do as a dehydrator contains a FAN.

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: thenewguy05]
    #5173291 - 01/12/06 05:55 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, I know it's been said a bunch of times in this thread but I'll add..

AN F'ING FOOD DEHYDRATOR DOES NOT CAUSE POTENCY LOSS!!!! :smile:

People who claim that the mild heat of a food dehydrator causes potency loss probably have never even used a dehydrator.  They're just spreading misinformation. 

A food dehydrator is normally 90?F - 150? F.
What I'm wondering is.. have any of these people with this "heat causes potency loss" theory ever made shroom tea?  Then how would they explain no potency loss with BOILING water, which is 212?F?

Stop spreading misinformation.  A heated food dehydrator does not cause potency loss.

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5173353 - 01/12/06 06:12 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah...though I did not know that they were not cheap.

And since there stackable...up to 12 is it..then one or two trays could be sacafied to make more room....I was just thinking out loud.

I haven't had the problem of too big caps...yet :grin:...but I have no idea :tongue2:

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Thats a great idea I had some that were to big to fit in mine today.  The trays are not expensive I got my dehydrators for  4 bucks a piece at a thrift store with 4 trays each.

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: biggc1] * 1
    #5815032 - 07/03/06 07:32 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

> my friend swears that using a fan to dry actually causes loss in potency b/c the bruising turns black and the shrooms look ugly. he says id have more potent and nicer looking mushrooms with a dehydrator. any truth to this?

That's one of the most foolish and wrong things I've heard. Fan drying will remove the surface moisture quicker than a dehydrator will. Surface bruising is what causes the bluing and fan drying will dry the surface quicker and result in LESS bluing.

I can't believe that so many people waste money on dehydrators. A $5-$10 box fan is all you need. Dehydrators don't produce enough airflow to do as good of a job as they could.

Everyone who wants to rail on about how heat doesn't affect potency should do a little research first. Just because YOU can't detect the potency lost by drying at higher temps doesn't mean it's not happening. It's a basic fact of chemistry that reactions happen faster at higher temps. The rule of thumb is that for every 10C the reaction rate doubles. So for even the lower temp dehydrators that means that you are tripling the rate of reaction. If you could dry them in 1/3 of the time that would be fine, but you can't. Dehydrating vs. fan drying isn't even going to dry them in half the time, so you ARE loosing potency. But then again maybe the rules of physics and chemistry don't apply to you.

This thread has a much more intelligent discussion of heat drying.
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Perhaps now this thread lives up to it's title.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: Barnelby]
    #5815083 - 07/03/06 08:24 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Look at how many times science has recanted there findings! I for one don't use heat and want to preserve as much psilocin as possible. I also believe when making tea the duration is so short there is no noticeable potency loss. Cubies potency varies considerably all by itself so the fact that I dried a QP in a dehydrator on high and left myself with nothing but garbage while the rest were dried naturally left me with some great potency means nothing except the fact that I will never use heat. I know why doesn't everyone dry some of their harvest in the oven at 400F. and the rest naturally and do a side by side with a friend and post their results? :wink:


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: hyphae]
    #5815152 - 07/03/06 09:03 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

> I know why doesn't everyone dry some of their harvest in the oven at 400F. and the rest naturally and do a side by side with a friend

Because they already have a good idea what will happen. Even people that claim "Psilocybin IS NOT DESTROYED at temps as high as 442F" aren't going to actually try it with their own crop.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: fastfred]
    #5815282 - 07/03/06 09:52 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

where i live there is no humidity. i could just put them out with a fan going and they could be cracker dry in 2 days or so. right?

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: jfoster]
    #5815379 - 07/03/06 10:16 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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where i live there is no humidity. i could just put them out with a fan going and they could be cracker dry in 2 days or so. right?


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: Yamidude]
    #5815510 - 07/03/06 11:06 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

a little side note on the tea thing... like fastfred notes the speed of chemical reactions speeds up with heat... but an oxidation reaction does what it sounds like, the psilosin reacts with oxygen.  heated water contains very little to no free oxygen.  water's capacity to hold dissolved gases greatly decreases as the temperature increases, and adding enery in the form of heat to water to bring it to a boil drives off the oxygen content (and nitrogen and other gas content for that matter) from water before it even reaches a boil.  i'm not sure how the numbers and such actually work out in practice but making tea might be a loophole (and cause for some of the arguments back and forth) but we might actually be dealing with an "inert" atmosphere of sorts when making tea and the oxidation doesn't occur on any greater a level because of the heat, since there's no oxygen there to react with.  could be wrong but its just a thought. :smile:  (the part where i could be wrong is i don't know if the oxygen molecules can be taken from the H2O to cause the oxidation anyway, im no chemist. :smile:)

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: creamcorn]
    #5815665 - 07/03/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

That's an interesting point. I had assumed that the psilocybin might be somewhat or even completely dephosphorylated when making tea, but the fact that it's quickly consumed meant that the psilocin would still be active.

Oxygen might not really be required for the oxidation of psilocin though. If my understanding and prediction of the oxidation product is correct then any base (or oxygen) could oxidize it.




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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: fastfred] * 1
    #5815764 - 07/03/06 12:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

> Notice the temp for Psilocin, and that it is only measured in Methanol.

It's not measured IN methanol, it's been recrystallized FROM methanol. Methanol boils at 65C.

> That is because in water... the oxygen molocules of the water would oxidize it and desrtoy it. (Not the heat)

No, it's because water would boil away at 100C. You can't determine the melting point of something dissolved in a liquid solvent anyway.

> So... when you dry your shrooms, The active ingredients of Psilocybin and Psilocin are exposed to oxygen destroying the Psilocin but not the Psilocybin, no matter what the temp is.

But, it happens twice as fast for each 10C you raise the temp. Psilocybin is also enzymatically dephosphorylated to psilocin which is then easily oxidized. This will also happen faster at higher temps.

If you properly dry and store your fruit not all of the psilocin is lost.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: fastfred]
    #5815863 - 07/03/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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> I know why doesn't everyone dry some of their harvest in the oven at 400F. and the rest naturally and do a side by side with a friend

Because they already have a good idea what will happen.  Even people that claim "Psilocybin IS NOT DESTROYED at temps as high as 442F" aren't going to actually try it with their own crop.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: fastfred]
    #5815883 - 07/03/06 12:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

my net batch/flush i will be doing that drying some at 400 in an oven just so see. cause if they still get me or some one to trip nd i can dry them in a oven at 400 of a few mins. save time drying. i think i might also grab one of my reptile lights about and cook them at about 150+.

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    #5815895 - 07/03/06 12:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

they sell vaporizers that don't burn bud only the THC (if the temp is set right) damn nice smoking there. my buddy has one just like a hot blow drier/heat gun.

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: fastfred] * 1
    #5815952 - 07/03/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I've been using a dehydrator for years and haven't noticed any potency loss.

I pick up new and used dehydrators at the 2nd hand store for usually under $7.00
I use the lowest setting on the unit..95 degrees F.

I used to make alot of mushroom(Liberty Cap) tea back in the 70's...
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and I have made spagetti sauce with them too...and tripped balls!~

mjshroomer(John allen) puts them on pizzas and swears by it.


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    #5815973 - 07/03/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)



OH- is just shorthand for a base, other bases (proton acceptors) should also oxidize it.


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    #9315615 - 11/26/08 08:10 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

It's a friend's brother in law's experience that a food dehydrator with an added descant layer at the bottom works best out of the methods he ,himself, has tried: descant's with fan blowing above from all angles, descant alone inside a closed vessel, a fan alone in a box, fan alone over a grate on a table and hanging from the fan by strings attached to the light's (hard part is getting it to stop swinging with the fan's movement), and all those methods, he goes on to say, take 36+ hrs to dry (less corresponding with size).  The dehydrator and descant, however, takes perhaps 4 hours each trey, alternating on 30min off 15min he does.  The other ways of drying, by his account, frequently required checking to see their level of progress which would often, over large portions of the fruit bodies, bruise them anyway, usually resulting in far larger amounts of oxidation (based purely on his the observation of greater amounts of bluing on the fruit body).  The dehydrator runs a little bit higher than would he prefers (thermometer's read up to 110*F), and he articulates his curiosity pertaining to weather or not someone may be familiar with heating coils (such as those in a dehydrator), and how to cut them or reduce the heat created by the coils to remain at around 90 +/-3*F.  Relaying: would a resistor work, creating less current into the coils, thus producing a similar effect that is seen with the use of a light switch dimmer?

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    #9315738 - 11/26/08 08:55 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

This thread should be STICKIED, as much as I see this debate. 

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    #9315752 - 11/26/08 08:59 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I fan dry mine for a day and then finish them off in the dehydrator.They do the trick for me.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: NextDoorNeighbor]
    #9316060 - 11/26/08 10:39 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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It's a friend's brother in law's experience that a food dehydrator with an added descant layer at the bottom works best out of the methods he ,himself, has tried




Anyone else ever try putting desiccant in the bottom of a FD?  I wonder how well this would work.  I think the quicker you can dry them the better, without adding extra heat above the lowest setting.  The application of desiccant inside the dehydrating chamber sounds interesting.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: iMtRiPpIn]
    #9316134 - 11/26/08 10:57 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

this is a 2 year old thread and i think it fairly conclusively shows that heat drying isn't a problem.. it's got some very smart people in it. I'm with the dehydrator guys, and you can't argue with experience and knowledge like fast fred, agar, and RK. especially if you haven't tried other ways (i know they have, as have i)

one nesco american harevest with the heating and fan units on the base, one nesco american harvest with the heating and fan units on the lid (both 12 tray capacity).

with 30 full to the brim trays in between the two units, set at 95 degrees, You will have cracker dry, with no noticable potency loss, no mess, and no fuss in 24 -36 hrs... each tray holds slightly over one ounce dry in wet weight. I'll NEVER go back.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #10668112 - 07/13/09 09:42 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

DEHYRATORS WILL NOT DESTROY THE ACTIVES

nesco food dehydrator, no temp control.
used a meat thermometer in the dehydrator and it read 120(low)-160(high)
it worked great. CRACKER DRY. 6 hrs. after fan drying.

so i ate 2Gs last night to test them.

TRIPPED :shocked:

i am now convinced that heat doesnt really affect potency.

the dehydrator was hot during the drying process. i could have put it on a timer, or tried to regulate it, but, i wanted to see if it would actually make them weak.

WRONG.

was def. TRIPPING.

not even close to an 1/8th.

granted i am a bit more sensitive than most, but still.

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: chronosync] * 2
    #10669236 - 07/13/09 01:42 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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this is a 2 year old thread and i think it fairly conclusively shows that heat drying isn't a problem.



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DEHYDRATORS WILL NOT DESTROY THE ACTIVES

nesco food dehydrator, no temp control.
used a meat thermometer in the dehydrator and it read 120(low)-160(high)
it worked great. CRACKER DRY. 6 hrs. after fan drying.

so i ate 2Gs last night to test them.

TRIPPED

i am now convinced that heat doesn't really affect potency.





We really need to lay this issue to rest.  Heat drying may not affect potency too terribly much, but it certainly does affect potency.  There's just no way around that.

It's scientific fact that chemicals oxidize and degrade.  It's also fact that heat speeds chemical reactions.  It's also well known that you should avoid using any more heat than necessary in any process.

Dehydrators do not speed drying very much, if at all, compared to fan drying except in high humidity climates.  The problem with dehydrators is that most of them have poor airflow.  Many don't even have a fan in them, just a heating coil at the bottom.  So you're just heating them up without drying them much faster.

A proper fan drying setup will give you a hundred times the airflow and dry them in about the same time as a dehydrator, all without heating them at all.  A good fan drying setup can be made for much less than a dehydrator costs, you can easily expend the capacity, and you'll get a better quality product in the end.

To look at the last posters data... He used 120F (~49C).  Room temp is around 70-72F (=22C). That's 27C above room temp.  For every 10C you roughly double the reaction rate.  So while drying at that temp your mushrooms are degrading about 6.8 times as fast as they would at room temp.

That would be fine if the dehydrator dried them 6.8 times faster, but it doesn't.  It may dry them 8x faster than just laying them out on some newspaper, but it will only dry them at about the same rate as a good fan drying setup, depending on humidity.

To figure out exactly how much potency you are losing would be tough.  You'd have to know how long it takes to dehydrate vs fan dry at your humidity level.  You'd also have to know how fast your actives degrade at certain water activity levels and what the endpoint is for degradation and at what water level.  However, I'd estimate that you lose 10% potency over fan drying.

10% is not something you'd probably be able to notice with a bioassay, combined with all the confounding factors involved there is little chance anyone could accurately tell the difference.  And that's why we have so many posts saying they don't think heat drying degrades potency.

Just because you can't tell doesn't mean it's not there, and nobody has even had a good method for comparison.  All the posts amount to in this tread is "I heat dried them and still tripped balls."  None of that carries any weight in countering the scientific facts around drying sensitive materials.

So if you don't mind losing 10%, or you live in a high humidity climate then go ahead and use a prefab system designed to dehydrate food.  Nobody will likely ever know the difference.  But if you want the best method of drying that gives you the best product, then make a simple fan drying system and save some money at the same time.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: fastfred]
    #10669516 - 07/13/09 02:33 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

... unless it takes longer, and you lose potency to oxygen exposure.
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    #10669590 - 07/13/09 02:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

> ...unless it takes longer, and you lose potency to oxygen exposure.

Depending on your humidity it will take the same time or slightly longer.  But it's never going to take even twice as long, let alone 6 times as long.  Oxygen concentration is not going to be changed by the rate of airflow, so that is not an issue.

> Quickest route to sealed product is the 'best method', IMO.

I think I explained pretty well why quicker is not always better and also pointed out that it's NOT quicker in many cases, and even when it is it's not quick enough to overcome the additional losses from the heating.

You do have a good point though.  If all you care about is speed it doesn't really matter which way you go.  And if your humidity is over about 70% heat drying will be faster.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: fastfred]
    #10669647 - 07/13/09 02:56 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

:shrug: maybe I'll give fan drying a try. Gotta get a fan anyway.
I'm not concerned about potency-I'm not sure how they could be 10% stronger, though it's fine if they are. But anything that gets them vacuum packed and in my freezer quickly is ok w/ me.

Any problem with using the dehydrator body, with a fan on top blowing down? Sure would make the build a lot easier...


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    #10669999 - 07/13/09 03:50 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

That should work fine.  Any system with lets good airflow get around the fruits will work good.

The best normal scale setup I came up with back in day was using milk crates and a box fan.

Go out and cruise the alleys in your town.  Find where the milk crates are piled and ask the business if you can have a couple.  Most don't care and will give you some.  Almost every distributor either doesn't pick up the milk crates very well, or they don't keep count of them so they aren't hard to come by.

Then cut the bottom part off a couple milk crates.  A saw works well.  Cut them right where the mesh turns solid near the bottom.  Using this system you can have as many shelves as you want.

Now take one full milk crate for the bottom to let the air escape and stack your shelves (made from the bottoms) on top of it.  Go to the hardware store and get a few yards of screen material (I suggest the plastic stuff).  Now take one of the tops from a cut up milk crate and lay it on the screen.  Use a marker to trace an inside outline of the crate.  Cut that screen out and put one on each shelf of your system.

Now get a small box fan (cheap) and put it on top.  You can either take another shelf and cut out the bottom to make a permanent fan mount that stacks well or just set it on top.

In the end you should have one full milk crate on the bottom to let out the air and as many shelves stacked on that as you want, with a fan on the top blowing down.  It stacks up nicely, doesn't take much space, expands to as large as you want it, and can be made for less than $20.  (Box fan ~$10, screen $5-10, $5 misc)

You can fancy it up if you want.  You could glue down the screen and make the fan attachment nice and sturdy, but none of that is really needed.  In high humidity areas it makes a great first stage.  Use it to dry off the surface and remove most of the water then transfer it to a desiccant chamber or food dehydrator.  A dehydrator makes a decent 2nd stage since most of the water is already removed so the degradation is 99% stopped already.  At that point a little heat won't hurt the potency and will quickly get you the cracker dryness you need, even in higher humidity climates.

Almost all of the potency loss comes during the time between picking and when the outer bit of the fruit is dry (several mm at least).  That's another reason I like fan drying.  Fan drying is the quickest way to get that first 40% of the moisture out.  A dehydrator takes longer to get that first bit of water out, but catches up later as it becomes harder to remove the water.  So fan drying first and then getting the last bit of water out with desiccant or heat works really well.

It's that first 5 hours or so that is most critical to preserving.  In the food industry they look at the water activity level.  Most of the water in a food product is bound up chemically and won't react and cause spoilage.  So it's important to get that water activity down to the point it's not causing problems.  The producers of products like Twinkies spend millions getting that water activity just right.  Their product must be moist and have the right consistency, but not be soggy, spoil, or be dried out and tough.  So they take expensive water activity level measurements to make sure that it's as moist as possible without having any free water to cause problems.

The point of that is that you have to get the water activity down quickly, which prevents spoilage and oxidation.  Once you get that bit of water gone the aging of the product slows down greatly and you can use a lot of other methods to get the final bit out and attain the dryness you want.


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    #10670211 - 07/13/09 04:16 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I like to rub freshly picked caps in butter, salt and pepper, onions, and garlic, or rub the caps with olive oil and stuff the gills with blue cheese salad dressing and cook them on a BBQ grill, which can be up over 1,000F.  It may degrade them somewhat, but who around has a shortage of product? Just eat two mushroom caps instead of one.  It makes them taste like a gourmet mushroom, and you don't get that ill feeling from eating them raw, dry or undried.
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    #10672713 - 07/13/09 11:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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I like to rub freshly picked caps in butter, salt and pepper, onions, and garlic, or rub the caps with olive oil and stuff the gills with blue cheese salad dressing and cook them on a BBQ grill, which can be up over 1,000F.  It may degrade them somewhat, but who around has a shortage of product? Just eat two mushroom caps instead of one.  It makes them taste like a gourmet mushroom, and you don't get that ill feeling from eating them raw, dry or undried.
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sounds delicious, i would probably eat way too may of those, id forget it was drugs and just CHOW. get hungry, eat, and then...

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but yeah, for the thread, fresh is WAY potent. but so is dry.

eat a few tiny fresh mushrooms = trip

eat a bunch of dried  = trip

fan dry. dehydrator. desiccant. use all three if you want.

DOESNT MATTER YOU CANNOT TAKE THE TRIP OUT OF THIS STUFF.

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: chronosync]
    #12377099 - 04/12/10 09:43 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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but yeah, for the thread, fresh is WAY potent. but so is dry.

eat a few tiny fresh mushrooms = trip

eat a bunch of dried  = trip

fan dry. dehydrator. desiccant. use all three if you want.

DOESNT MATTER YOU CANNOT TAKE THE TRIP OUT OF THIS STUFF.

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: krill]
    #24761853 - 11/05/17 02:51 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I have a generic food dehydrator that uses heat. Although I have not yet used it to dry shrooms so I cannot say one way or another whether heat or air is better. But, I modified mine with a computer case fan, mounted on top of the cover. The fan will draw air across the heating element producing a dry warm heat. Thoughts?

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: Dace5]
    #24761863 - 11/05/17 02:53 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

11yrs and the struggle continues.

i dry at 180f+ for 24 hours. cracker dry. no excuses:oldman:

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: mushboy]
    #24829816 - 12/06/17 12:05 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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11yrs and the struggle continues.

i dry at 180f+ for 24 hours. cracker dry. no excuses:oldman:



I thought 24 hours is for 95F
So 180F should take much less.
Unless they are really fat.
I have just 8 hours to dry them with my dehydrator tommorow,  and I wonder what heat should I use

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: jivangilad]
    #24829830 - 12/06/17 12:13 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

max heat! all day all the time. i want to use as much heat as the dehydrator can put out.


somethings are good to be an asshole stickler about. i think drying mushrooms is one of them.

i have this really potent clone i grew out last jan/feb. i can still microdose on .1g-.25g and feel a strong buz.
those shrooms were dried at 180f 24hrs and thrown into ziplock bags. into my spare dressers sock drawer. almost a year later.

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: mushboy]
    #25886044 - 03/20/19 03:41 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

Still no detailed dry tek on here?  Somewhat surprising considering all the teks.


I use trays and heater fans, but am always looking for a better method.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: pickle jar pete]
    #25886064 - 03/20/19 03:51 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

There's not really a need for a tek.

Get a dehydrator, load your shrooms on, and leave it running until they're cracker dry (usually takes >10 hours) sometimes more depending on your dehydrator's settings.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: Mycohard]
    #25886067 - 03/20/19 03:52 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

There are stupid easy teks made for a reason...:strokebeard:


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: Mycohard]
    #25894604 - 03/24/19 06:29 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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There's not really a need for a tek.

Get a dehydrator, load your shrooms on, and leave it running until they're cracker dry (usually takes >10 hours) sometimes more depending on your dehydrator's settings.





I already have a system set up using several small 250w ceramic heaters, which feeds the exhaust into a SGFC through the bottom.

as long as it passes the week in a closed jar test and it dries fruits quick, I guess it doesn't matter what method is used. Dehydrators do seem to be the most popular method, although, there is some confusion because of variation in model design and program settings.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: mushboy]
    #26597803 - 04/13/20 11:32 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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11yrs and the struggle continues.

i dry at 180f+ for 24 hours. cracker dry. no excuses:oldman:




I was actually about to create a thread about this, but searched and found this very old one. I asked this in my thread, but I think its a lot more on topic in this one, so here goes.

but I couldn't find any active "drying" threads, only ones very old when I searched. I hope to get an answer on this.

For my first drying session, which ended yesterday, I let it go for 26 1/2 hours in total and I just took those shrooms out and tossed them into a big Ziploc bag. The stems are still a little bit hard but they’re definitely brittle. I’m assuming that that was enough time? But I’m still not sure. But either way they’ll keep till tomorrow if they’re not really ready I guess. In the meantime, last night, I also put the rest of the batch that I picked, which is about 165 g of fresh, into the dehydrator.

Are the stems are supposed to be a little bit on the hard side? They didn’t break up anywhere near as easily as the caps. They actually kind of feel like dried twigs from a tree. I was told that "cracker dry" meant that when you put the slightest of pressure on caps and stems, they break up easily. But are the stems supposed to be harder when dry than the caps?

I just don't want to put my shrooms in storage and end up eating more green mold than dried mushroom 6 months or a year from now.

Oh, and I am using a Durabrand dehydrator, which has only one setting. From what I can see, all the models that are the same colors as mine with the same basic casings, seem to be just re-branding of the same model, and it supposedly runs at either 173 degrees or 177 degrees. I forget which one.

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26597891 - 04/13/20 12:09 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

The best way to test if your mushrooms are fully dried is to weigh them. Once they stop losing weight, they are fully dried. From my testings, a 40g wet mushroom will stop losing weight between 12-14 hours at 155*F. Longer drying time won't hurt, so schedule the timer to your liking, as long as you get 12 hours or so. I haven't tested on larger mushrooms because  i can't grow any bigger mushrooms :shamecube: my biggest ever was 55g and i cut it in half. I use an Excalibur but the brand shouldn't matter too much.

IMO, a good universal suggestion would be max heat, 24 hours. This will be overkill more than sufficient for everyone, short of a few experienced cultivators.

Edit: y'know what, fuck it. I'm always just going to say 24 hours max heat. Seeing as how we had this old thread get dug up today plus another thread made about dehydrating, K.I.S.S.

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
    #26597893 - 04/13/20 12:11 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Also, make sure to pack them immediately when the dehydrator is done. They tend to soak up environmental moisture quite quickly. On a rainy day, I've had them turn back to bendy in a matter of hours.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: poisoned]
    #26597909 - 04/13/20 12:21 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Awesome info, thanks, guys!

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The best way to test if your mushrooms are fully dried is to weigh them. Once they stop losing weight, they are fully dried. From my testings, a 40g wet mushroom will stop losing weight between 12-14 hours at 155*F. Longer drying time won't hurt, so schedule the timer to your liking, as long as you get 12 hours or so. I haven't tested on larger mushrooms because  i can't grow any bigger mushrooms my biggest ever was 55g and i cut it in half. I use an Excalibur but the brand shouldn't matter too much.

IMO, a good universal suggestion would be max heat, 24 hours. This will be overkill more than sufficient for everyone, short of a few experienced cultivators.




Okay, I intuitively did that yesterday when I took drying batch #1 off the dehydrator trays. When I weighed them they were actually slightly less than 10% of the fresh wet weight. I will do it again today with the batch that should be ready in about 6.5 hours. I actually did 26.5 hours on the first batch, and will do at least 24 hours on batch #2.


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Also, make sure to pack them immediately when the dehydrator is done. They tend to soak up environmental moisture quite quickly. On a rainy day, I've had them turn back to bendy in a matter of hours.




What I did last night was I got a big, Ziploc, plastic sandwich bag and tossed them all in there the second I weight them. I didn't seal the Ziploc, but I did fold it over on itself a few times to keep out contaminants. There's only like 95 grams in there so the bag is a bit empty. When I finish drying these now, I will take the ones that I dried yesterday, put them back on the dehydrator with the newer ones, and do the whole mess of them for an extra two hours.

If 24 hours is overkill, so is this! lol But I want to make sure, and the consensus seems to be that going over by as long as I want is not going to hurt anything. So why not just be absolutely sure, right?

Once that's done, I will put all the dried into the same bag, and zip it closed after squeezing out all the air.

Thanks again, guys! :mushroom2:

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26597921 - 04/13/20 12:26 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Put the bag in the jar. I've had them lose that cracker dry dryness in a few months of a ziplock bag. Or double bag them or sth.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: poisoned]
    #26597937 - 04/13/20 12:35 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Put the bag in the jar. I've had them lose that cracker dry dryness in a few months of a ziplock bag. Or double bag them or sth.




Funny you say this. I just came across the same advice in a thread I just perused and commented in. This is amazing advice, and I intend to use a large mason jar. Only instead of in a plastic bag, I will put them into the clean jar, along with some dessicants.

I am very into fitness, working out, and weights, and I have often bought powdered supplements and used my little 00 capsule maker to encapsulate my own supps. So I have a bag of dessicants I use for that, which I will now import into my little shrooms hobby.

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26597977 - 04/13/20 12:55 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I don't understand the long drying times.

I use a dehydrator at max temp which is 165F.  I set it for only 6 hours, and this may be overkill. 

I weigh before and after, and this time is sufficient.  I am left with 6-7% dry weight, which would equal a 93-94% water content.  Seems accurate.  They are cracker dry, will snap like a twig.  I pack with food safe desiccant pack just for extra measure.  I do not live in an arid climate.

Again, I haven't experimented but not convinced even 6 hours is needed.  So do I just have the greatest dehydrator in the world or what's going on?

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26598056 - 04/13/20 01:30 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It depends a lot on how you load it and how thick the fruits are.


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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26598084 - 04/13/20 01:38 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Same here. It takes a few hours. I never timed it I just take them our when theyr done. (Cracker dry) and put them in a jar with some desiccant.

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: nosf3r4tu]
    #26598094 - 04/13/20 01:45 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I can’t speak for anybody else, nor can I say that the quality of my old food dehydrator, literally from the late 1990s, is up to snuff with maybe some of the ones that you guys are using. But I can tell you this, that in my stash, there was a discernibly different consistency between the mushrooms drying after 6 hours versus 12 hours, and then 24 hours. Again this could just be because I have a very old unit. But there was absolutely a difference in that the longer I dried, the more brittle and “dusty” “they were when I applied pressure.

Plus, considering that I know for a fact I’m going to be storing some of these for years, or at least a year, if my initial yields are any indication of what I’m going to end up with LOL. So as long as people like yourselves assure me that I’m not going to hurt the mushrooms by going the extra mile with more hours, I don’t see any reason not to do it. If there was a point of diminishing returns, where keeping them in the dehydrator longer would lower the quality or potency, then that would be an entirely different conversation.

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26598128 - 04/13/20 02:00 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I've been using a Nesco at full heat for years. Depending on how thick the fruits are, I usually get cracker dry in 6-12 hours. For PE or any other fatties I give a good 12-24.....at full heat in a Nesco!! :cheers:

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: hyphae]
    #26598197 - 04/13/20 02:35 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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> I know why doesn't everyone dry some of their harvest in the oven at 400F. and the rest naturally and do a side by side with a friend

Because they already have a good idea what will happen.  Even people that claim "Psilocybin IS NOT DESTROYED at temps as high as 442F" aren't going to actually try it with their own crop.


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I was being sarcastic BTW :wink: I wonder what the temp is for THC/CBD, I know here any heat destroys the final product, not just the actives but also the taste and how smooth it smokes.





I know this is old, and irrelevent, but I wanted to note the way misinformation sticks around.  heat is neccesary for THC to be orally active, we've been heating THC forever, and smoking it involves literally lighting it on fire.

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26598867 - 04/13/20 07:36 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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When I weighed them they were actually slightly less than 10% of the fresh wet weight. I will do it again today with the batch that should be ready in about 6.5 hours.




Don't worry too much about percent of wet weight. The way to check would be to run the dehydrator for X hours, weigh a handful of shrooms, run it +1 hour, weigh the same shrooms again. If they are the same weight as the last time you checked, they are fully dried!

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I weigh before and after, and this time is sufficient.  I am left with 6-7% dry weight, which would equal a 93-94% water content.  Seems accurate.




It depends on the size of your fruits, but yeah ending at 6-7% dry weight is accurate. If you're drying little guys, i don't doubt 6 hours is fine. As i said, with my own testing, a 40g wet shroom was fully dried somewhere between 12-14 hours. I will admit i haven't done enough testing/documenting, but that's a good enough baseline for me so i know that as long as i run my dehydrator for at least 12 hours, i'm golden.

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26598993 - 04/13/20 08:27 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you for bumping this. Bunch of good info. Also some great people in this thread that haven't  been around in years.


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    #26609351 - 04/17/20 11:41 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Shouldn’t 24 hours just be the standard? When you do less time yes it may be cracker dry now but what about in a few weeks? It will get bendy again. 24 hours ensures those bad boys stay cracker dry for a long time. I feel like when I used to get mushrooms from others they were always so quick to produce for a profit so they spent very little time on the drying process cause if I sit on them
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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: agar]
    #26609362 - 04/17/20 11:54 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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De-hydratators are to small for my harvests :mushroom2:
I wouldnt ever cut up a shroom to dry it, thats sacreligious to me






You can build a dehydrator any size you want.




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    #26609987 - 04/18/20 09:47 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Shouldn’t 24 hours just be the standard? When you do less time yes it may be cracker dry now but what about in a few weeks? It will get bendy again. 24 hours ensures those bad boys stay cracker dry for a long time. I feel like when I used to get mushrooms from others they were always so quick to produce for a profit so they spent very little time on the drying process cause if I sit on them
For about a month they went to shit




I'm guessing you haven't stored them air tight in those cases where they get bendy again? I can dry tiny shrooms cracker dry in maybe 3hrs, and they never get bendy after storage in air tight jars. Or maybe there has been some hidden moisture in the middle of your otherwise dry fruits which have made them bendy again.

And Pipthegreatest, is that your build? I'm wondering how you put trays/shelves of fruits in there, i can't see anything that would hold them in place. Or do you just dump a bunch of fruits straight in the bottom of the cabinet? :shocked:

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Re: Let's get the truth on heat drying mushrooms [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #26943926 - 09/19/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah...though I did not know that they were not cheap.

And since there stackable...up to 12 is it..then one or two trays could be sacafied to make more room....I was just thinking out loud.

I haven't had the problem of too big caps...yet :grin:...but I have no idea :tongue2:

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Trays aren't necessarily sacrificed if you get these little mesh inserts that are great for aborts and such. Just use the insert if you have need for more trays and don't have huge fruits.


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    #26943951 - 09/19/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

And then there's this for the really big days but doesn't work quite as efficiently.

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    #28645685 - 02/03/24 08:21 PM (4 months, 21 days ago)

Hey bro did you ever test a small batch at 400F in the oven?


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