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Iran attempting to build nuclear weapon - destined for europe
    #5142787 - 01/05/06 11:05 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Is this more war mongering so they can take infiltrate the next country,

Or is Iran really gonna try and nuke us?

What do you think?

Scary shit either way.

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Re: Iran attempting to build nuclear weapon - destined for europe [Re: Ego Death]
    #5142838 - 01/05/06 11:23 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

where's the news story on this?

frankly, europe being the assholes they've been to us, I could care less if they got nuked

I kid, but seriously where is this news story

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Re: Iran attempting to build nuclear weapon - destined for europe [Re: Ego Death]
    #5142870 - 01/05/06 11:35 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Pretty simple really... Iran knows that one sure way to keep the US from invading a country is the threat of WMDs. The US knew that Iraq had WMDs during desert storm. It is widely known that the reason Bush pulled out of Iraq rather than offing Saddam at the time was because Saddam threatened to use his WMDs. Iran also looks at North Korea and how the US bitches and moans, but doesn't ever do anything... why, because they have nukes. I suspect that Iran wants nukes for a sense of security, not to use as weapons against others.

The problem is that the government in Iran is not what we are used to when we think of a government from the western perspective. There are many small groups that all control a their little part of the pie. Each group has it's own motivations and goals. The various groups that make up the government don't always get along or work together or even know what each other are doing. If Iran were to get nukes, even for a sense of security with no intent to use at all, there is no way to control the various groups to ensure that the nukes stay sane hands.

The bigger problem, in my opinion, is their enrichment demands. Any bonehead can build a nuclear bomb... it isn't that hard. However, getting the enriched uranium needed to make the bomb work is extremely difficult and expensive. Once Iran starts to enrich uranium, you can be pretty certain that the entire middle east will have access to enriched, weapons grade, uranium.

The other 'bigger problem' is that nuclear weapons lead to stalemates because nobody wants to die. Of course, the middle east is full of boneheads that like to strap bombs to their bodies and go off killing lots of innocent civilians. This mentality breaks the stalemate resulting in the nuclear end game being played out... with nukes, nobody can win... but the terrorists that would use nukes don't care about winning...

It will be a very frightening day when the US is finally nuked. She will have to respond in the same manner... probably against everybody on the 'axis' list that has the ability to enrich uranium... nothing like a world wide Chernobyl disaster... nature will survive, but mankind may not.


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Re: Iran attempting to build nuclear weapon - destined for europe [Re: Seuss]
    #5143060 - 01/05/06 12:39 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

And geuss what;
My dick head country (UK) agreed to sell Iran some of the parts they need.

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Re: Iran attempting to build nuclear weapon - destined for europe [Re: Seuss]
    #5143063 - 01/05/06 12:40 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

It is widely known that the reason Bush pulled out of Iraq rather than offing Saddam at the time was because Saddam threatened to use his WMDs.

I thought it was widely known that Iraq wasn't invaded because Bush preferred a weak Saddam than a strong Islamic Iraq? That's why he let Saddam abuse the no-fly zones and put down the shite rebellion in the south.

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Re: Iran attempting to build nuclear weapon - destined for europe [Re: Seuss]
    #5143763 - 01/05/06 04:02 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Seuss said:
Pretty simple really... Iran knows that one sure way to keep the US from invading a country is the threat of WMDs. The US knew that Iraq had WMDs during desert storm. It is widely known that the reason Bush pulled out of Iraq rather than offing Saddam at the time was because Saddam threatened to use his WMDs. Iran also looks at North Korea and how the US bitches and moans, but doesn't ever do anything... why, because they have nukes. I suspect that Iran wants nukes for a sense of security, not to use as weapons against others.

The problem is that the government in Iran is not what we are used to when we think of a government from the western perspective. There are many small groups that all control a their little part of the pie. Each group has it's own motivations and goals. The various groups that make up the government don't always get along or work together or even know what each other are doing. If Iran were to get nukes, even for a sense of security with no intent to use at all, there is no way to control the various groups to ensure that the nukes stay sane hands.

The bigger problem, in my opinion, is their enrichment demands. Any bonehead can build a nuclear bomb... it isn't that hard. However, getting the enriched uranium needed to make the bomb work is extremely difficult and expensive. Once Iran starts to enrich uranium, you can be pretty certain that the entire middle east will have access to enriched, weapons grade, uranium.

The other 'bigger problem' is that nuclear weapons lead to stalemates because nobody wants to die. Of course, the middle east is full of boneheads that like to strap bombs to their bodies and go off killing lots of innocent civilians. This mentality breaks the stalemate resulting in the nuclear end game being played out... with nukes, nobody can win... but the terrorists that would use nukes don't care about winning...

It will be a very frightening day when the US is finally nuked. She will have to respond in the same manner... probably against everybody on the 'axis' list that has the ability to enrich uranium... nothing like a world wide Chernobyl disaster... nature will survive, but mankind may not.





The reason Iran is more dangerous than North Korea is because communists tend to be atheists and don't believe suicide bombing will get them into heaven. Islamic terrorists believe that the only guarantee muslims have of getting into heaven is dying while doing jihad (ie. suicide bombing).

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Re: Iran attempting to build nuclear weapon - destined for europe [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #5144255 - 01/05/06 06:41 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Don't forget about Iran's anti-Zionism. The nuclear threat is to Israel, not necessarily Europe or the USA.

Its strange how many of the world's problems seem to boil down to the existence of Jews.

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Re: Iran attempting to build nuclear weapon - destined for europe [Re: Darcho]
    #5145878 - 01/06/06 03:27 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

> Its strange how many of the world's problems seem to boil down to the existence of Jews.

If it were not the Jews, it would be some other culture or race that was used as an excuse... the Jews are a convenient target, nothing more...


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