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    #5138825 - 01/04/06 01:32 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Miracles (in light of the miners tragedy) [Re: perfectsphere]
    #5138854 - 01/04/06 01:38 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

yup


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Re: Miracles (in light of the miners tragedy) [Re: perfectsphere]
    #5138862 - 01/04/06 01:40 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

That's similar to when something bad happens to someone they say, "If God existed this wouldn't have happened" or "How could a gentle and caring God allow this to happen?" But when something good happens to them, "It must be God".

God is a scrapegoat for many people because it's just easier to blame Him then to deal with consequences or lifes ups and downs.

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Re: Miracles (in light of the miners tragedy) [Re: Pirate_Patrick]
    #5139564 - 01/04/06 04:38 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I've spoken to priests that believe that God intervenes in life when it matters most and creates miracles, and I've spoken to others who believe that God gave us free will and does not interfere with life.

I don't believe in miracles (as in the form of a higher being interfering with everyday life to make the impossible possible).

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Re: Miracles (in light of the miners tragedy) [Re: perfectsphere]
    #5140143 - 01/04/06 06:46 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

WEBSTERS-Miracle

n 1: any amazing or wonderful occurrence

Often, when people use the word miracle, its with that definition meaning alone.

Did the News article just say "miracle" or did it say "miracle of God"?

Unless someone says "miracle of God", I assume the non religious meaning and the use of the word to mean, a wonderful or amazing event. I also use it when I mean to say- extremely against the odds.

It's a figure of speech in our everyday language for non religious people as well.

Some people see their God as the nature of things itself. If natural order brings about an amazing event or the death of one, then yes, the Nature of order including timing, would be responsible for both equally. I understand your point there.

I just wanted to put out a reminder that the word has other meanings and the user is NOT always implying that an "intervention" from the Biblical God took place.

:peace: :heart:


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Re: Miracles (in light of the miners tragedy) [Re: perfectsphere]
    #5140533 - 01/04/06 08:15 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"Miracle" is very often used as a common figure of speech...don't read too much into it.


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Re: Miracles (in light of the miners tragedy) [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5140654 - 01/04/06 08:38 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Why must every newsmen say (before the end-result) "Naturally, our thoughts and prayers go out to the miners"?

Perhaps if we had NOT prayed as a nation, they would have lived. Seems like we just don't trust God and must interfere and that may irk him.


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Re: Miracles (in light of the miners tragedy) [Re: Swami]
    #5141007 - 01/04/06 09:43 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"Why must every newsmen say (before the end-result) "Naturally, our thoughts and prayers go out to the miners"?"

They want to seem socially acceptable in a predominantly Christian society where it is better to appear concerned than be concerned.


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Re: Miracles (in light of the miners tragedy) [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5141019 - 01/04/06 09:45 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Better, or easier?  :grin:

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Re: Miracles (in light of the miners tragedy) [Re: Veritas]
    #5141045 - 01/04/06 09:52 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Better sounds worse...I'll stick with it.


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Re: Miracles (in light of the miners tragedy) [Re: perfectsphere]
    #5141593 - 01/04/06 11:35 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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perfectsphere said:
Same thing in more personal situations. If someone survives from cancer or a car crash, it's a "miracle", but if they die, then it's OK because God wants them in heaven now. Sounds like the religious pepole have all the bases covered :rolleyes:




Religion is the opiate of the masses...


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Re: Miracles (in light of the miners tragedy) [Re: perfectsphere]
    #5141844 - 01/05/06 12:36 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

if it makes them feel a bit better confronting tragic situations, good for them.


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Re: Miracles (in light of the miners tragedy) [Re: perfectsphere]
    #5166906 - 01/11/06 11:06 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Is anyone else bothered when people make grand claims about miracles? Take a look at the West Virginia miners story from last night.

God only performs good in the eyes of the True Beleiver.

When one miner survives, it's a miracle of God; the 11 who didn't survive are an unattributed tragedy.

By the way, while not strictly on-topic, but still obliquely related, anyone notice the disproportionately heavy media coverage, interviews, poetry readings, and candle-light vigils for 11 dead miners while the hundreds per month who die in Iraq merit barely a mention?


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Re: Miracles (in light of the miners tragedy) [Re: Diploid]
    #5166969 - 01/11/06 11:27 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I noticed this long ago and so never notice now. :wink:


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