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Learyfan
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Food/water vs. Iraq
#5136807 - 01/03/06 10:16 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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How many people could we have given food and water to with the money we've spent on the Operation Iraqi Liberation?
I think that this has been discussed before, but I can't find it. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Food/water vs. Iraq [Re: Learyfan]
#5136875 - 01/03/06 10:32 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why not just give me the money? I could use it. Working sucks.
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Re: Food/water vs. Iraq [Re: Learyfan]
#5137220 - 01/04/06 12:18 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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probably a lot, but then you'd be complaining about the third-world farmers being put out by such donations.
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Re: Food/water vs. Iraq [Re: wilshire]
#5137554 - 01/04/06 02:18 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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According to Ben Cohen's Animated Oreo Video, it takes 2 cookies (uh, $20 billion) to feed all the 6 million children in the world for a year. That's about $3,300/yr, or $9/day.
The war cost $230 billion so far, according to Cost of War
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I bet those fuckers wish they pissed us off first.
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Re: Food/water vs. Iraq [Re: Learyfan]
#5137732 - 01/04/06 05:31 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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> How many people could we have given food and water to with the money we've spent on the Operation Iraqi Liberation?
How many people could we have given food and water to with the money that we've spent on professional sports teams? Of course, I don't hear too many people willing to give up Super Bowl Sunday to feed the hungry...
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Re: Food/water vs. Iraq [Re: Seuss]
#5137767 - 01/04/06 06:23 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good point. The ridiculous unbalanced distibution of wealth that currently exists on this planet really does need to be looked at. I dont think it can be properly addressed with any of the existing economic / political models we currently have at our disposal.
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Re: Food/water vs. Iraq [Re: GazzBut]
#5137794 - 01/04/06 06:49 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Utopian ideas are not tangible solutions in the real world.
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Re: Food/water vs. Iraq [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5138019 - 01/04/06 09:40 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
SirTripAlot said: Utopian ideas are not tangible solutions in the real world.
Right in the real world the strong only pretend to care about others and even get away with blowing the shit out of them and repressing them all the time with their support with their support.
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Quote:
bellylard said:
Right in the real world the strong only pretend to care about others and even get away with blowing the shit out of them and repressing them all the time with their support with their support.
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Re: Food/water vs. Iraq [Re: zappaisgod]
#5138135 - 01/04/06 10:39 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Or think about: How many port containers could be searched with the money? How many law enforcement officers could be hired etc. etc.
Think of how much safer from terrorism we would be were the money spent domestically.
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Re: Food/water vs. Iraq [Re: badchad]
#5138150 - 01/04/06 10:43 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Amazingly, the money is being spent domesticly. Unfortunately, a great deal is being spent safeguarding corn silos in S. Dakota and Iowa and buying garbage trucks in Newark.
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Re: Food/water vs. Iraq [Re: Learyfan]
#5138220 - 01/04/06 11:00 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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the Iraq War is a massive waste of tax dollars and is supported by those who complain about government spending. But really, these so-called "conservatives" are only concerned about slashing government spending of things they disagree with all the while supporting government waste with projects that they like - even if these things conflict with conservative thought/minimal government.
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Re: Food/water vs. Iraq [Re: zappaisgod]
#5138225 - 01/04/06 11:01 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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You are correct, the rape camps, mass graves, and oppression by Saddam, would have been better if we would have just gave them food and water.
If you are referring to the strong as the USA,
What the fuck has the other Muslim countries and European countries (the weak)done for the Iraqis?
But pander to their dictator in the form of illegal oil transactions.
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Re: Food/water vs. Iraq [Re: Learyfan]
#5138359 - 01/04/06 11:46 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't see why it is our job to take care of the world. They don't want us as their policeman, so they shouldn't get us as their caregiver, either. We have our own problems to remedy here before we start worrying about other people across the ocean.
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Re: Food/water vs. Iraq [Re: Redstorm]
#5138480 - 01/04/06 12:13 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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you for prez
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Re: Food/water vs. Iraq [Re: afoaf]
#5138539 - 01/04/06 12:24 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Much like the isolationism that the USA proclaimed prior to the World Wars, doing nothing would hurt us and the rest of world in the future.
How would France be faring now, if we chose to focus on our own domestic matters entirely, during the German occupation of WW2?
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Re: Food/water vs. Iraq [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5138855 - 01/04/06 01:38 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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How would it hurt us?
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Re: Food/water vs. Iraq [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5139021 - 01/04/06 02:13 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
SirTripAlot said: Much like the isolationism that the USA proclaimed prior to the World Wars, doing nothing would hurt us and the rest of world in the future.
On the contrary, with regard to WWI at least it may have been that American intervention harmed both itself and the rest of the world unbelievably. It is believed by many that without American intervention in WWI (intervention that had NO legitimate pretext), a mutually agreeable peace would eventually have been reached by the two warring parties. Among other results, the peace would almost certainly have been a peace in the historical sense, a true 'peace without victory', unlike the peace that did occur via the Treaty of Versailles that all but made WWII inevitable. Can it be doubted that without Versailles and the destruction, both psychological and economic, that it did to Germany, Hitler would never have amounted to anything more than a mediocre artist?
If America is attacked without provocation then it should absolutely defend itself, to say otherwise is pacifist foolishness. But it is only slightly less foolish to say that America makes the world and itself more safe by intervening in conflicts on every corner of the globe. A non-interventionist foreign policy is both just and wise.
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Re: Food/water vs. Iraq [Re: Redstorm]
#5139038 - 01/04/06 02:17 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Although the current Islam Fascists of today are not as powerful (yet) as Germany's Third Reich of the 1940s, letting them go unchecked would produce an enemy that would be more deadly for the world in the future.
Wheather Iraq was the right arena for this check, is another debate, and in my opinion history can only answer.
Certainly Afghanistan was a proper engagement.
Something positive has happened, since there have been no terrorist threats since 9/11. If we have caused so much resentment among the Muslim nations, how come there has been no successful attack since?
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