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64-bit OS'es and Program Compatablity
#5132166 - 01/02/06 05:26 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Which would you say is best suited to maximize the use of my hardware? (specs to follow) Any comments or thoughts you have reading it are welcome.... no end solution is being asked for.
I know there's 64-bit XP, Debian & Gentoo GNU/Linux's. I also know that I can use the current 32-bit ones.
I will be using my machine to play games (Doom3, UT2004, EQ, Quake 4 & Frag/Quake3), multitasking applications .
(For Linux - Amarok&mysqld, Firefox&Thunderbird, Xine or Mplayer, k3b, perhaps Asterisk with a Digium card for a single line, and the biggest resource hog of them all OOo) [For Windows - winamp, Firefox&Thunderbird, office, photoshop)
To be clear, I am of the camp of "If I buy it, I will be forced figure it out".
I just bought the following: 1x Dual Channel 1024MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz RAM 1x 320GB Serial ATA HD 7200/8MB/ATA-150 1x AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Socket 939 (Manchester) 1x Asus A8N SLI Premium nForce4 Socket 939 Motherboard 1x ATX Case UV Blue Side 2x eVGA GeForce 6800GS 256MB PCIe w/ DVI/TV-OUT (for use with bridged SLi) 1x 500W X-Finity Power Supply 120mm Fan / Black 1x Dual Layer DVD burner 16x
Thanks again for your comments, be they good or bad
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Re: 64-bit OS'es and Program Compatablity [Re: blink]
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Re: 64-bit OS'es and Program Compatablity [Re: blink]
#5132424 - 01/02/06 06:32 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well obviously your going to make a dual boot machine =P. That wouldn't be a problem. And i though you were able to run 32bit windows programs on 64bit XP aswell not sure though. Otherwise i bet MS has some sort of compatabillity program so you could do it anyway.
Linux and the sorts is dead easy. If it doesn't work straight out of the box just recompile it on your machine from source.
To use your machine to the max... Well you could run a bunch of SQL databases on it and have pretty heavy duty winamp/Xing visuals. Or just play games.
I don't think you will run into any real limits for the coming 2~3 years with this setup. But as always the software especially the games will catch on with the hardware later on.
What was your question again?
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Re: 64-bit OS'es and Program Compatablity [Re: wilshire]
#5132439 - 01/02/06 06:35 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: 64-bit OS'es and Program Compatablity [Re: blink]
#5132667 - 01/02/06 07:28 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Damn your specs are almost identical to mine. My suggestion, as much as it pains me, is stick with XP 32 and get Vista 64 when it's out. The driver and software support just isn't there for 64-bit right now. If anything you'd probably see a drop in performance. But thanks to us early adopters the industry will come around eventually.
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Re: 64-bit OS'es and Program Compatablity [Re: blink]
#5132827 - 01/02/06 08:05 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I use 64 bit Gentoo, and it works just fine. Gentoo is probably the best distro for 64 bit, since it's all from source and you're not sitting around waiting for a developer to get around to compiling something for amd64. The "emul" libraries for using 32 bit binaries and running pretty smoothly these days. I use 32 bit games all the time, no problems. And UT2k4 is available in a 64 bit build.
Here are a few pointers: OpenOffice still won't build on amd64, so you have to use the binary openoffice-bin. You have to use 32 bit binary firefox-bin if you want a browser with Flash. Then to get java with that, you have to use sun-jre-bin.
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Re: 64-bit OS'es and Program Compatablity [Re: Ythan]
#5132904 - 01/02/06 08:26 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Ythan said: Damn your specs are almost identical to mine. My suggestion, as much as it pains me, is stick with XP 32 and get Vista 64 when it's out. The driver and software support just isn't there for 64-bit right now. If anything you'd probably see a drop in performance. But thanks to us early adopters the industry will come around eventually.
agreed
nice system btw
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Re: 64-bit OS'es and Program Compatablity [Re: supercollider]
#5132919 - 01/02/06 08:30 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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xp-64 had a shitload of compatibility issues, i havent gotten around to installing the latest beta of windows vista 64, so i dont know how good that is, but ive heard good things.
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Re: 64-bit OS'es and Program Compatablity [Re: blink]
#5134080 - 01/03/06 04:33 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Solaris X86 is by far the best multiprocessor 64-bit OS that I have found that runs on the Intel chipset... purely from an OS reliability and performance standpoint... not a lot of applications available...
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Re: 64-bit OS'es and Program Compatablity [Re: blink]
#5135385 - 01/03/06 03:27 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I currently got a WinXP x64 and Suse Linux 64 dual boot. Both operating systems work very well. Program compatibility is a non-issue on Linux and only a slight issue on Windows. I have one video game that will not work in Windows x64...Area 51.
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Re: 64-bit OS'es and Program Compatablity [Re: blink]
#5135533 - 01/03/06 04:12 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I had a 64bit Gentoo installation for a while (about a year ago)- the 64bit was way more trouble than it was worth. For a desktop, I'd suggest you use your preferred 32 bit OS until 64 becomes more widely used.
I had trouble getting many programs to work as 64-bit apps -- pretty much all closed source, as well as many that didn't work right when I compiled them 64-bit. I used two sets of programs - 64 and 32 bit - so the 32 could work w/ 32. I'm pretty incompetent (your milage may vary), but for me it was alot of effort and the result was certainly no better than my present 32-bit installation. Things may be different now, or you might be better with these things than me.
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Re: 64-bit OS'es and Program Compatablity [Re: phi1618]
#5136044 - 01/03/06 06:44 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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64 bit Gentoo works a lot better today than it did a year ago. I had a lot of trouble with conflicting libraries and such at first, but they've got that stuff ironed out pretty well by now, as far as I can tell.
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Re: 64-bit OS'es and Program Compatablity [Re: phi1618]
#5136732 - 01/03/06 09:49 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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You need only to install the 32 bit libraries through portage. The user is expected to know this with Gentoo.
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Re: 64-bit OS'es and Program Compatablity [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#5137154 - 01/03/06 11:59 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I did that.
Sorry to insult your favorite distro, but I found it a huge pain in the ass. I did eventually get most things working, but I'm much happier with my 32 bit Ubuntu install - and I've spent much less time fucking with it.
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Re: 64-bit OS'es and Program Compatablity [Re: blink]
#5137698 - 01/04/06 04:46 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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> I'll be running AMD.
I was using the "Intel chipset" to mean the family of processors that implement the Intel x86 instruction set... this would include AMD, Transmeta, etc.
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Re: 64-bit OS'es and Program Compatablity [Re: phi1618]
#5139996 - 01/04/06 06:19 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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"orry to insult your favorite distro, but I found it a huge pain in the ass."
I don't have a favorite...each one has it's area of specialty. I am currently using Suse.
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Re: 64-bit OS'es and Program Compatablity [Re: supercollider]
#5140645 - 01/04/06 08:35 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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hrmm.. I've worked with 64bit and linux a lot lately. Gentoo did a nice job of allowing for an easy multilib(64 and 32bit libs) system.
At work we actually developed our own OS. We went with a multilib system which we are still not sure if we like or not. Building it from scratch was a huge bitch. Some programs out there just will NOT compile with 32 and 64bit libraries. Two that come to mind if I remember right are pam and openssl.
You are going to run into some weird bugs wether you are using microsoft or linux. Its been around for a while but its still considered new.
If you have the stomach for it you can also look into loading LFS. They have a 64bit project.
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Re: 64-bit OS'es and Program Compatablity [Re: Vampire999]
#5142136 - 01/05/06 03:07 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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> At work we actually developed our own OS
Your own OS, or your own distribution? Having written the base of an OS from scratch, I can attest that it is indeed a very difficult task. I can only imagine you mean distribution... I certainly wouldn't trust my toy OS for anything other than stress testing a debugger.
> Some programs out there just will NOT compile with 32 and 64bit libraries
It is getting better. A year ago, it was nearly impossible to get apache/php/mysql and all the libraries needed to all compile into 64bit... now, still difficult, but not as bad. Another year or two and we wont have to worry about it as more and more applications are ported. Gotta love opensource...
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Re: 64-bit OS'es and Program Compatablity [Re: Seuss]
#5149503 - 01/07/06 12:26 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hrmm good question.. I guess you would consider it more of a distro.. although I dont think theres a single portion we didnt hack the crap out of and make it ours. Then again its still based on the same base/core utils so when it comes down to it its still linux.
I dont think they will ever manage to make openssl better that is the biggest pile of `works good enough` code i've ever had to hack at. Then again.. no way in hell could I have done it any better hehe
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