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SiRpAbLoEsCoBaR
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Some Questions I Have for my 2nd Grow
#4989358 - 11/28/05 11:39 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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First i want some advice on incubation. I have a TIT for FC but I have still not found a good way for incubating the jars. I bought a reptile aquarium heater that didnt fucking work.... I ended up putting them in a shoe box and putting it on top of my hot water heater. This incuabated them at about 75F. I wasn't wanting to make another TIT for incubation.
How well does casings do in perlite humidified FC? I hear that it is usually more humidity than needed. I could use suggestions on what do with casings as im growing cakes. Like i said im avoiding making another TIT but if it is my only option i will.
My last question is about fanning. I read guides that say every other day and then some people say 1-4 times a day. How often should i fan? Is it not that important how often but just that its done?
I appreciate all help.
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Roadkill
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Re: Some Questions I Have for my 2nd Grow [Re: SiRpAbLoEsCoBaR]
#4989426 - 11/28/05 12:02 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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you can use an incubator for colonizing jars.
you can put your jars on top of a frig, or a freezer, or a hot water heater and the they will colonize.
You want your jars to colonize at 81 to 84 degrees F. Any lower temps...and it will take much longer for the jars to colonize.
I prefer using a TIT incubator. with a submersible aquarium heater.
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I wouldn't use perlite for humidification for casings.
just a fruiting chamber with a air bubbler works great...if you want to save $$$.
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The more FAE...fresh air exchanges the BETTER!~
just make sure that your humidity doesn't suffer from too many FAE.
tc
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SiRpAbLoEsCoBaR
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Re: Some Questions I Have for my 2nd Grow [Re: Roadkill]
#4989443 - 11/28/05 12:08 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have one of those. I use as FC. My first grow is still in begining of 1st flush with molded cakes. Im looking to start incubating new jars before im done with the TIT im using for FC. The water heater only kept the jars at about 75F so it was not good. They colonized slow and took a long time to pin after birth.
Also to use a bubbler would require me making another TIT? Is there no getting around having more than one without out a loss of some kind?
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Re: Some Questions I Have for my 2nd Grow [Re: SiRpAbLoEsCoBaR]
#4989471 - 11/28/05 12:23 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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TiT's are for Incubation...You don't need co2/o2 exchange when incubating...
I think you're talking about a PmP...
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Edited by IGnosticAbhorI (11/28/05 12:26 PM)
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Tien
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Re: Some Questions I Have for my 2nd Grow [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
#4989491 - 11/28/05 12:29 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just use a box with a heating pad underneath..never goes above 84F. Less hassle than a TIT...IMO I also try not to worry too much about the whole humidity and FAE during incubation (which is probably not so good).
I just toss some tin foil on top of my casings and poke some holes, never had a problem.
Pluto
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SiRpAbLoEsCoBaR
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Re: Some Questions I Have for my 2nd Grow [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
#4989493 - 11/28/05 12:29 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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or i got confused and am doing everything wrong. I put jars in a shoe box and put on top of water heater. Took about 4-5 weeks for the jars to colonize. Some had bad green mold on them and i tossed them. had 3 left placed in a tub lined with perlite and water and heated with a fish tank heater.
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Re: Some Questions I Have for my 2nd Grow [Re: Tien]
#4989508 - 11/28/05 12:34 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Plutonium said:
I just use a box with a heating pad underneath..never goes above 84F. Less hassle than a TIT...IMO I also try not to worry too much about the whole humidity and FAE during incubation (which is probably not so good).
There is no hassle using a TIT incubator.
and I don't have to worry about my house burning down.
lets see...heating pad wasn't made to work 24/7 for weeks at a time.
lets see...submersible aquarium heater was built to heat up water for years on end.
end of my debate.
-------------------- Laterz, Road Who the hell you callin crazy? You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch! Brainiac said: PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.
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Re: Some Questions I Have for my 2nd Grow [Re: SiRpAbLoEsCoBaR]
#4989517 - 11/28/05 12:40 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
SiRpAbLoEsCoBaR said: or i got confused and am doing everything wrong. I put jars in a shoe box and put on top of water heater. Took about 4-5 weeks for the jars to colonize. Some had bad green mold on them and i tossed them. had 3 left placed in a tub lined with perlite and water and heated with a fish tank heater.
Put them ontop of your waterheater..hmmm..my guess is it's a bit dirty around that water heater...unless your a VERY clean person and clean it every day...Anyways...
My guess is, all kinds of shit was floating around, got into your CARDBOARD box...(which btw, if it gets wet..contams are more likely to form..i mean,...we use cardboard as a substrate)...Sounds like you should def. get a better place to incubate your babies...
-Gnostic
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SiRpAbLoEsCoBaR
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Re: Some Questions I Have for my 2nd Grow [Re: Roadkill]
#4989520 - 11/28/05 12:41 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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They take up a lot more space though. and 2 tubs $11 at wal mart and $23 heater gets kind of expensive when i am making more than one of these + everything else.
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Re: Some Questions I Have for my 2nd Grow [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
#4989524 - 11/28/05 12:42 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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How do you get c02/o2 exchange for that FC of yours (fruiting chamber)...?
Do you fan it or what?...lol...PmPs don't normally consist of fish tank heaters...you want your Fruiting temps in about the 70's (74F to be exact)...I've fruited well in 65F so i mean...It usually isn't a big deal unless you live in an igloo...
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Re: Some Questions I Have for my 2nd Grow [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
#4989528 - 11/28/05 12:44 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cutting corners leads to things like 70% contam rate (i.e 7 of your jars contaming)...
It pays for itsself in the end...
A foaf got 0% contam. on 20 jars...That's damn good...He had to do a bit of extra work and spent about 50$ total...but he got no contams...Being cheap and shit won't get you anywhere in mycology..
gl
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Re: Some Questions I Have for my 2nd Grow [Re: SiRpAbLoEsCoBaR]
#4989558 - 11/28/05 12:54 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
SiRpAbLoEsCoBaR said:
They take up a lot more space though. and 2 tubs $11 at wal mart and $23 heater gets kind of expensive when i am making more than one of these + everything else.
errrrrr
I don't wanna say anything that would incriminate myself...
but I have friends that have 8 or more TIT incubators... and they pay for themselves in time.
-------------------- Laterz, Road Who the hell you callin crazy? You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch! Brainiac said: PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.
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Re: Some Questions I Have for my 2nd Grow [Re: Roadkill]
#4989821 - 11/28/05 02:18 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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definately a tit is the way to go..... i don't know how many jars you are making???? but my tit holds up to 50 qt. jars. i put my casings above that on shelves. the temp from the tit, will keep the temp up for casings. i didn't buy the biggest tub walmart had to offer. i spent less than $50, and mine is going strong.... Like road said all day, everyday
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Re: Some Questions I Have for my 2nd Grow [Re: Oatman2000]
#4989974 - 11/28/05 02:49 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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no need for AE during the incubation of a T.I.T
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dr0mni
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#4990251 - 11/28/05 03:42 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Some Questions I Have for my 2nd Grow [Re: dr0mni]
#4990257 - 11/28/05 03:44 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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oh and...
"My first grow is still in begining of 1st flush with molded cakes."
if your cakes have mold on them then they are contaminated. Throw them out!
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