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daimyo
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Gay Marriage
#4951385 - 11/18/05 12:01 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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So I got up a little while ago and checke my messages. Here is a real gem...
"I am a concerned mother of three small children calling on behalf of the national campaign to stop same sex marraiage. My greatest fear for our country is that once we've abandoned the concept of marriage as a union of a man and woman we as a nation, founded under god, will have no promcipal basis for rejecting polygamy or any other form of sexual involvment. If you agree please press 1. The Massachuesettes supreme judicial court has legalized gay marriage. Now a conclusive national battle over gay marriage has broken out. Because of this legalization of gay marriage in Massachuesettes a couple can legally marry and move to another state and still be considered a legal married couple. If you oppose the legalization of gay marriage please press one. definition is under attack in courts across the nation, and your help is needed to save it before the one man one woman definition of marriage is completely and radically redefined. if you feel we are under attack, please press 1. The stacks are so high that the battle ahead is nothing less than a civil war between the"...machine cuts off.
Thoughts?
I'm gonna try and figure out who(what party, specific person) endorsed this.
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CriminalMinded
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: daimyo]
#4951441 - 11/18/05 12:14 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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"and your help is needed to save it before the one man one woman definition of marriage is completely and radically redefined" I don't understand this theory, do they think the world is going to turn homosexual because we legalized gay marriage.
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daimyo
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No. The fear is an attack on the sanctity of the HOLY union of a man and woman. Homosexuals and their supporters are trying to detract from something that holds great importance to some.
It's like calling someone that smokes cigarettes a pothead. Or someone that drinks Natty Light a connoisseur.
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TheDudeAbides
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: daimyo]
#4951496 - 11/18/05 12:27 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
daimyo said: It's like calling someone that smokes cigarettes a pothead. Or someone that drinks Natty Light a connoisseur.
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CriminalMinded
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: daimyo]
#4951504 - 11/18/05 12:30 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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So your saying homosexuals are below us?
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idiotek
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: daimyo]
#4951510 - 11/18/05 12:31 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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it all seems to me like a bunch of religious hootenanny!
i'll bet that a majority of those people also support mandating the teaching of "intelligent design" or "creationism" in schools.
i love how she said "founded under god". what a moron.
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Vvellum
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: daimyo]
#4951560 - 11/18/05 12:44 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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I support gay marriage 100% the problem with america is alot of people do not mind their own damn business. who cares if two individuals want to be married?
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daimyo
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CriminalMinded said: So your saying homosexuals are below us?
I'm not saying anything. Just relaying a very interesting message I had today.
But I do feel that marriage is something that should be defined and regulated by the church. Anything done outside of the church is a civil union. Man:Woman or queer.
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daimyo
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: idiotek]
#4951593 - 11/18/05 12:50 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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idiotek said: i love how she said "founded under god". what a moron.
So you consider people with religious convictions morons? That is not very kind.
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CriminalMinded
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: daimyo]
#4951623 - 11/18/05 12:57 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh, that's what I thought you meant by the Natty Light/connoisseur comment.
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The_Red_Crayon
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: daimyo]
#4951669 - 11/18/05 01:07 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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haha the sanctity of marriage. Hell you think people take it as a sanctomonious event anymore you can go to Vegas and get married in 20 minutes or your money back. Not everyone follows the same moral path.
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The_Red_Crayon
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: daimyo]
#4951671 - 11/18/05 01:08 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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daimyo said:
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idiotek said: i love how she said "founded under god". what a moron.
So you consider people with religious convictions morons? That is not very kind.
Jihadis?
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daimyo
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The_Red_Crayon said: haha the sanctity of marriage. Hell you think people take it as a sanctomonious event anymore you can go to Vegas and get married in 20 minutes or your money back.
Is that a valid reason to allow further degradation or a call to arms for those who recognize the sanctity?
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The_Red_Crayon said: Not everyone follows the same moral path.
Not everyone get into Heaven
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kaniz
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But I do feel that marriage is something that should be defined and regulated by the church. Anything done outside of the church is a civil union. Man:Woman or queer.
I have a few opnions on this issue.
In your case of 'well, let them just get civil unions' - I'd say
Personnaly, I think that "law" should be left out of marriage. Leave it as a symbolic union between two people - remove ANY form of goverment,law,benifits,etc from it. All it is, is a symbolic union - and if the church feels to remain close minded and in the dark ages about it, leave it as "man and wife". However, simply getting "married" wont get you any of the current benifits/laws/tax's/blah/blah/blah that comes along with it.
Right now, when you get married - there are a whole lot of protections, laws, regulations that come into play. The problem with having this be tied in with marriage is that - where gay marriage is not legal, they are in effect - denied these things.
Then - move all of the current "legal aspects" of marriage into a Civil Union - which IMO, should be limited to "two people, of legal consenting age - regardless of gender"
so man/man, man/women, women/women, tranny-man/tranny-women, whatever - simply two people who wish to join lives, and start a life together - and leave this as a goverment affair. Leave church and religion out of this.
Now, if the people doing this still feel like throwing the whole traditional marriage seremony - then they are free to do it. As they still have every right to celeberate their union together.
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And then, opnion #2
- Simply make gay marriage legal. however. Leave it upto the individual church/priest to decide if they want to marry the two people or not. If for whatever reason a priest feels gay marriage is wrong, and does not want to rent out his church/do the ceremony for it - he should have every right to say no, and not fear legal consequence for his actions. There are LOADS of priests and churches that are willing to perform gay marriages - go find one that is willing. ---
So, in short. Either
a: Remove all 'legal' aspects of marriage, and move them pretty much word for word over to Civil Union, grandfather all current marriages to this status so no need for current couples to re-apply for their marriage lisence.
b: Legalize it, however give churches the legal protection to 'deny' marrying a couple because they are gay (ie: cant get sued for it). I've seen churches deny marriage on more trivial grounds then sexuality before. However, when going to a justice of the peace/whatever, they cant deny you the marriage based on sexuality.
and really, if your priest doesnt want to do a gay marriage - would you really want him as your priest anyways?
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lowdominion
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: daimyo]
#4951739 - 11/18/05 01:19 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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who would want to go to heaven anyway? No booze, No drugs, No sex and i bet they play Creed 24/7. I would take Hell any day over that
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daimyo
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: kaniz]
#4951756 - 11/18/05 01:23 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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There should be no benefits, except for the hospital visitation thing, for marriage or unions. Being with the person you love in an ever lasting bond should be enough.
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idiotek
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: daimyo]
#4951793 - 11/18/05 01:31 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, I consider people with religious convictions that assume that the entire nation they live in should have the same ones to be morons.
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Vvellum
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: daimyo]
#4951803 - 11/18/05 01:36 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is that a valid reason to allow further degradation or a call to arms for those who recognize the sanctity?
Straight marriage is already is trouble - and this has nothing to do with gay people wanting to be together through marriage. Divorce rates are skyhigh.
Why do you assume that gay marriage is a "degradation" of the institution of marriage? Why is the act of solidifying and ritually/legally recognizing love such a bad thing? In this day and age of divorce, I think we need more people loving each other in healthy, monogamous relationships.
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: idiotek]
#4951865 - 11/18/05 01:52 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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the word "god" should be removed from currency, the pledge of allegiance, and from every single court and government institution in this country. We got along fine for 177 years without it.
Let gays get married, there is nothing wrong with it, anybody who says that it is is basing it completely off of religious bias. This is bull shit and childish.
I think all these fanatic christians in this damn country should be forced to live somewhere they are the minority, and deal with extreme prejudice against their way of life. That way they can feel like the all gay people they persecute here in the US.
The whole anti-gay thing makes me sick.
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idiotek
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: lid]
#4951914 - 11/18/05 02:05 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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i've never understood fanatical christians. if they'd actually pick up their bibles and read the shit that Jesus actually said.. they'd realize that we should all just get the fuck over what we think others should be and accept and love them for who they already are.
that includes people who don't believe what they do.
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