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On War and the History of Conflict
    #4919232 - 11/10/05 06:23 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Feel free to move this thread to PA&L if it's content seems unsuitable here. Because this post deals with the spiritual inadequacies behind patterns of conflict, I felt the following was best suited to this forum.

There is a tremendous debate, both within this community and outside it, about the conflict and misery in the world today. Television programs and film icons such as Michael Moore, and Jon Stewart's The Daily Show on the left, and on the right figures such as James Dobson and Bill O'Reily, stoke the flames of bitterness which prevent us from realizing how to achieve our common aim. Additionally, we as thinkers and visionaries -- of both liberal and conservative persuasion -- consistently make the error of attaching ourselves to our views, believing that we alone possess the formula for peace.

Many people defend the belief that war is a necessary evil, to prevent even greater evils from consuming the earth. Others believe this view has been turned against us to justify grossly vain war-for-profit aims. Still others believe with an attitude of frustration that war is madness by it's very nature, and would not exist in a truly free and truly enlightened society.

All of these views have their roots in an amount of accuracy, I believe. It's the failure to recognize the equal validity of the opposing views that is at the root of our irreconcilable disagreements on the subject. It's not correct to aruge against the idea that war is a necessary evil by saying that war would not exist in an enlightened society, as this neglects to accept things as they are. We do not live in a free, enlightened society, and no such concept yet exists purely in our history. By the same token, it's not correct to argue against those who protest the tragic goings-on of war by saying that war is a necessary evil, because although it's true that the greatest evils in our history have been kept in check through the great and tragic sacrifice of war, it must also be recognized that this principle is easily perverted into one that achieves wholly self-serving agendas of political and corporate institutions, or any marriage thereof.

Bluntly, it is ignorance to say that what is happening in Iraq today is purely noble, and that the men and women losing their lives there are doing so to obstruct the advancement of still greater tragedies. Equally, however, it is ignorance to say that the employment of violent measures to end the suffering imposed on the world by men such as Saddam Hussein have been intrinsically shameful or unjustifyable. It might be true that the United States supplied the man with both his regime and his weaponry, but this does not mean that the most recent actions taken against him are little more than sheer hypocrisy. In a truly free and truly enlightened society, such a thing would never have taken place: but we must accept that we do not live in a free and enlightened society, and nor are we progressing in that direction until we end the bitterness behind our arguments about which actions we, as a civilization, should embark upon for a healthy and happy future.

It is not the immense suffering and violence of war which posseses intrinsic evil; it is the impetus behind warfare which decides this. From this point of view, both right and left wing can be united in their alertness as to the accountability of their actions as a society. Just as it is wrong to become blinded by a sense of loyalty to the state, which is necessary to maintain an effective military force, so it is wrong to become blinded by one's passionate aversion to injustice and strife, an alertness of which is equally necessary to choke the weed-like development of corruption.

Nobody of healthy conciousness derrives enjoyment from the misery of warfare. So long as we are aware that we have this in common, eventually it will be a healthy conciousness that prevails throughout our civilization, and from this will manifest a free, enlightened society unincumbered by the bondage of the constant conflict still pervading our history. If we are to achieve a lasting peace in this world, we must first attain a universal recognition that in spite of our own views, beliefs, and opinions, we each have the desire for peace as our common wish. It's this which is our greatest challenge, and the first hurdle to overcome if we are to be liberated from our own eventual self-annihilation.

Will humanity conquer this first hurdle? One look at the surrounding world and it's history warrants the cynicism saying no. But I believe that the will to survive will outweigh our tendency toward hatred and conflict, and that when the bloodshed has become as difficult to ignore as it is to endure, an era of peace will replace the era of darkness which gave birth to us.


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Re: On War and the History of Conflict [Re: Ped]
    #4919249 - 11/10/05 06:28 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I thought the madness of humanity should have destroyed the world long ago. Something seems to be keeping us from committing the ultimate folly that seems to come second nature to us.

Something IMO seems to be holding us together against the odds. Just maybe. :mushroom2:


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Re: On War and the History of Conflict [Re: Ped]
    #8571508 - 06/27/08 03:45 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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If we are to achieve a lasting peace in this world, we must first attain a universal recognition that in spite of our own views, beliefs, and opinions, we each have the desire for peace as our common wish. It's this which is our greatest challenge, and the first hurdle to overcome if we are to be liberated from our own eventual self-annihilation.




How can you be positive that we all have a desire for peace?

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Re: On War and the History of Conflict [Re: TameMe]
    #8571569 - 06/27/08 04:04 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: On War and the History of Conflict [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8571606 - 06/27/08 04:13 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: On War and the History of Conflict [Re: TameMe]
    #8571688 - 06/27/08 04:46 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, but who's counting....?    :tongue:


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Re: On War and the History of Conflict [Re: Icelander]
    #8571736 - 06/27/08 05:01 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Something IMO seems to be holding us together against the odds.




Teonancatl?


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Re: On War and the History of Conflict [Re: Ped]
    #8573636 - 06/28/08 07:57 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Will humanity conquer this first hurdle? One look at the surrounding world and it's history warrants the cynicism saying no. But I believe that the will to survive will outweigh our tendency toward hatred and conflict, and that when the bloodshed has become as difficult to ignore as it is to endure, an era of peace will replace the era of darkness which gave birth to us.

But what about the homosexuals?


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