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ideal temps for colonizing/fruiting horse poo? ive heard many things
    #4901828 - 11/06/05 08:25 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

my room temperature is 70.3
someone said that will work for both colonizing and fruiting cakes spawned to poo. Is this true? Thanks.

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Re: ideal temps for colonizing/fruiting horse poo? ive heard many things [Re: dubbyah]
    #4901905 - 11/06/05 08:40 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

well im not a poo expert, but i keep my incubator at 70 for my poo casings and take about a week - 1 1/2 weeks. made the mystake of putting my first poo casing into my jar incubator and it took forever for it to colonize. that was at 80-85 deg. gotta keep in mind that poo can give off some decent heat itself.


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Re: ideal temps for colonizing/fruiting horse poo? ive heard many things [Re: dubbyah]
    #4901997 - 11/06/05 08:57 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

A poo substrate can genereate 10 - 12 degrees of it's own heat while colonizing, so a room temp of 70 to 75 is just fine.
When your ready to fruit it, try to drop the temp by 10 degrees for a few hours, then back to your 70 degree room. Just move it to a basement, fridge, or even outside if its cooler, for a while. It's not really nessessary, but it does help to initiate faster pinning.


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Re: ideal temps for colonizing/fruiting horse poo? ive heard many things [Re: Rejak]
    #4902146 - 11/06/05 09:22 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

so after I case the spawned poo I should bring it to a cold place?

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Re: ideal temps for colonizing/fruiting horse poo? ive heard many things [Re: dubbyah]
    #4902151 - 11/06/05 09:23 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Only for a while, this is known as cold shocking.

It is not necassary, but may help. (initiating pinning)


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Re: ideal temps for colonizing/fruiting horse poo? ive heard many things [Re: jarroddupont]
    #4902585 - 11/06/05 10:38 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

It's not necessary because it's harmful to cubensis. Do some searching and see this relayed many times.

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Re: ideal temps for colonizing/fruiting horse poo? ive heard many things [Re: Medo]
    #4902595 - 11/06/05 10:40 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

But if the temps of the colonizing poo raise the internal temps to about 80 (as poo can create temp raises of 10-12 deg in bulk applications, which this is)...cold shocking would only bring this back to fruiting temperatures.


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Re: ideal temps for colonizing/fruiting horse poo? ive heard many things [Re: Medo]
    #4902621 - 11/06/05 10:46 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

It's not harmful.
It's just not nessessary because cubes will pin on their own at those temps anyway, when the poo substrate drops in temp on it's own.
Cold shocking can (but not alway) help to initiate pinning in poo substrates.


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Re: ideal temps for colonizing/fruiting horse poo? ive heard many things [Re: Rejak]
    #4902656 - 11/06/05 10:52 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, it IS harmful. And how praytel would having a bulk substrate at normal tropical temperatures, and then dropping it to un-natural and never occuring in nature arctic temps "bring it back to fruiting temps" anymore than a normal temp drop? It wouldn't.

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Re: ideal temps for colonizing/fruiting horse poo? ive heard many things [Re: Medo]
    #4902665 - 11/06/05 10:54 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Cold shocking by bringing down BELOW fruiting temperatures may be harmful, but dropping temps from 80+ (after heating from the poo colonizing) back down TO fruiting temp, wouldn't be harmful. The sudden drop (as long as it doesn't go below fruiting temp) could be considered cold shocking.


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Re: ideal temps for colonizing/fruiting horse poo? ive heard many things [Re: jarroddupont]
    #4902712 - 11/06/05 11:02 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

It could be, except the common definition is a fridge shock. it isn't a "shock" if you drop temps, it is when they drop to 35 degrees though, that is what the "shock' to the mycelial network is.

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Re: ideal temps for colonizing/fruiting horse poo? ive heard many things [Re: Medo]
    #4903120 - 11/07/05 12:57 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Who said to drop the temp to 35?
A 10 degree drop is all that's required.
Cooling a poo substrate only helps to speed up the pinning process that will start anyway.


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Re: ideal temps for colonizing/fruiting horse poo? ive heard many things [Re: Rejak]
    #4904374 - 11/07/05 01:07 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I dont understand, I thought that when you colonize the poo before you case it after you spawn it, you have to just leave it around at room temperature covered with saran wrap. Is that so? Are you talking about doing this AFTER you case the already colonized spawned horse poo? thanks, this is confusing me

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Re: ideal temps for colonizing/fruiting horse poo? ive heard many things [Re: dubbyah]
    #4904416 - 11/07/05 01:21 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

-Spawn to poo
-cover and let colonize
-drop temps to fruiting (back to 70 or so, they'll rise from colonization)
-case and let colonize case material
-patch and FRUIT


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Re: ideal temps for colonizing/fruiting horse poo? ive heard many things [Re: jarroddupont]
    #4904544 - 11/07/05 01:58 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

A fridge is 35. Mix the spawn and poo and let colonize at room temps, do not incubate poo. I fruit poo directly without any casing, but if you decide to case it, just birth it right after being cased.

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Re: ideal temps for colonizing/fruiting horse poo? ive heard many things [Re: Medo]
    #4904555 - 11/07/05 02:01 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Fruiting without a case layer invites contams, dehydration, and un-even pinset...justa heads up


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Edited by jarroddupont (11/07/05 02:01 PM)

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Re: ideal temps for colonizing/fruiting horse poo? ive heard many things [Re: jarroddupont]
    #4904588 - 11/07/05 02:09 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

jarrod,
cover and let colonize
-drop temps to fruiting (back to 70 or so, they'll rise from colonization)
-case and let colonize case material

you say cover and let colonize, but i thought I colonized it at room temperature. can I let it colonize at 68-72? And also fruit at 68-72

and when you case and let colonize, you mean after I case I have to colonize it again at 68-72? Then right after that I give it light to make it grow?

Also, what is patching? im going to be using the double tub tek

Edited by dubbyah (11/07/05 02:12 PM)

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Re: ideal temps for colonizing/fruiting horse poo? ive heard many things [Re: dubbyah]
    #4904592 - 11/07/05 02:11 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

You cover and let colonize at room temp. The colonizing poo will create heat within itself. Just cover it and let it colonize, after it's done, put a case layer on. Let myc pop through the case material and patch it and stick that shit in the fruiting chamber!


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Re: ideal temps for colonizing/fruiting horse poo? ive heard many things [Re: jarroddupont]
    #4904600 - 11/07/05 02:13 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

whats patching? and im using the double tub, so to colonize it, I ghave to put a trash bag over it, then take it off when I want it to fruit, I think.. is that right?

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Re: ideal temps for colonizing/fruiting horse poo? ive heard many things [Re: jarroddupont]
    #4904608 - 11/07/05 02:17 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, no, no, and no. Sorry, read up more if you believe all of that.

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