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InvisibleSwami
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Witnessing a murder
    #4859297 - 10/27/05 01:23 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Had a dream (a real dream!) where I witnessed a murder. It was a moral dilemma whether to notify the police and then to have to testify and quite possibly endanger my family.

Where would you draw the line between civic duty, personal safety and protecting your family?


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Re: Witnessing a murder [Re: Swami]
    #4859308 - 10/27/05 01:26 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

id only mention a murder only if i cared about the person was murdered or the cops come to you adn ask.


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Re: Witnessing a murder [Re: Swami]
    #4859371 - 10/27/05 01:42 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Depends who it was doing the killing..and who it was being killed.

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Re: Witnessing a murder [Re: TameMe]
    #4859387 - 10/27/05 01:47 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Some people are more equal than others?


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Re: Witnessing a murder [Re: Swami]
    #4859389 - 10/27/05 01:47 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

That all depends who was doing the killing. If it was the mob, I wouldn't exactly want to get involved in that - that being said, if it was a mafioso killing chances are it would be some other criminal that was being murdered.

But if it was just some thug, or some junkie or drunk doing the killing, I would gladly tell the police.


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Re: Witnessing a murder [Re: Swami]
    #4859393 - 10/27/05 01:48 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Some people are more equal than others?




If it was a powerful man killing someone I didn't know then I wouldn't say anything.

If it was a weak man killing someone I did know I would tell.

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Re: Witnessing a murder [Re: TameMe]
    #4859397 - 10/27/05 01:49 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

What about a powerful man killing someone you did know?

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Re: Witnessing a murder [Re: Veritas]
    #4859500 - 10/27/05 02:19 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

If some guy raped and killed a chick I would report it. If some guy killed a rapist in the act, I wouldn't. Get it?

Depends.

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Re: Witnessing a murder [Re: Swami]
    #4859503 - 10/27/05 02:20 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Civic duty is very important. If a person won't stand up for the safety of the community then the community has no safety. There is no other alternative.


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Re: Witnessing a murder [Re: Veritas]
    #4859511 - 10/27/05 02:23 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Veritas said:
What about a powerful man killing someone you did know?




Depends on the ratio between the power of the killer and the quality of relationship in the person killed.

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Re: Witnessing a murder [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4859520 - 10/27/05 02:24 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
Civic duty is very important. If a person won't stand up for the safety of the community then the community has no safety. There is no other alternative.




Unless it's a vigilante.

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Re: Witnessing a murder [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4859541 - 10/27/05 02:29 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
Civic duty is very important. If a person won't stand up for the safety of the community then the community has no safety. There is no other alternative.




Standing up may not be safe for the community either.

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Re: Witnessing a murder [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4859634 - 10/27/05 02:49 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Civic duty is very important. If a person won't stand up for the safety of the community then the community has no safety. There is no other alternative.

Sounds good and I agree in principle, but if your family was threatened by a gang who had previously murdered witnesses and/or family members, you would be forced to reconsider.


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Re: Witnessing a murder [Re: Swami]
    #4859664 - 10/27/05 02:54 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

But then you are allowing murderers to roam free in the community where your family lives. Your child or partner could be the next person they murder, whether you testify against them or not.

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Re: Witnessing a murder [Re: Swami]
    #4859823 - 10/27/05 03:27 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Isn't this why they have a witness protection program?


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Re: Witnessing a murder [Re: Veritas]
    #4859824 - 10/27/05 03:28 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

You could secretly go after them (and try kill them first) instead of going out in public and jeopardizing people's lives.

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Re: Witnessing a murder [Re: Swami]
    #4860347 - 10/27/05 05:35 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Civic duty is very important. If a person won't stand up for the safety of the community then the community has no safety. There is no other alternative.

Sounds good and I agree in principle, but if your family was threatened by a gang who had previously murdered witnesses and/or family members, you would be forced to reconsider.




I would report them to the police, and then do all in my power to defend my family.

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Re: Witnessing a murder [Re: TameMe]
    #4861226 - 10/27/05 08:40 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"Standing up may not be safe for the community either."

This is not a practical position. As Veritas pointed out...this is merely allowing killers to roam freely amongst your familly members.


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Re: Witnessing a murder [Re: TameMe]
    #4861230 - 10/27/05 08:41 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"You could secretly go after them (and try kill them first)"

Then you would be a murderer and subject to the penalty of law.


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Re: Witnessing a murder [Re: Swami]
    #4861240 - 10/27/05 08:43 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

No I wouldn't as my familly is in danger either way...in any case I got way to big a mouth to keep that kind of shit secret.


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