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leafing
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datura...
#4765205 - 10/06/05 05:41 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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i find what i believe is one of the varitis of datura... now can someone please help idenitfy them... heres the pics
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ThePredator
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Re: datura... [Re: leafing]
#4765223 - 10/06/05 05:46 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Because of the leaves (the edges have seperations) and the white flowers I'm going to say hemlock, does it have a strong odor?
If it is hemlock I don't think it has the same alkalines as datura.
Edit: Nevermid, the flowers on hemlock are different. It is most likly a datura because of the trumpet shaped flowers, what species it is I don't know.
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leafing
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i cut open the pod... (ill post more close up of the flowers) ...oh i also noticed sme ants in the plants... a couple days ago there were alot and now not so much... should i just pick em of before i pick the flowers
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Re: datura... [Re: leafing]
#4765312 - 10/06/05 06:06 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes that is Datura, the leaves are a bit more jagged then the typical Datura Inoxia / Metelodies / Wrightii , but it is in that group, desert thornapples, el Toloache, ect . It does not appear to be Datura Stramonium ( which that shape of leave is more typical to however.) The fruit is hanging , like a noding head ( Tolitzin ( Aztec , to Incline head ) Datura Stramonium fruit point upwards , so that is most deffinatly a desert datura , no questions about that ... Beautiful plants, I would however, advise against consuming any part of it , unless you are willing to accept what may result ... -Tranceharper
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Re: datura... [Re: leafing]
#4765313 - 10/06/05 06:06 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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yuea its datura grows along roads and ditches watch your ass when or if you have the stupid notion to want to trip on it. makesure you research a lot before trying any part of the plant. Some people try it and never come back to normal and some DIE Is it really worth the risk? be careful.
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Tranceharper
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Research never will begin to touch on the possible outcomes from this. It is not something to trip on, it is medicine, or poison, typical the later . Without understanding of how and why to consume it , it is most likely to result in delterious effects, that may linger for a long time, or permenatly ... -Tranceharper
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That is definitely Datura. Although ThePredator, Tranceharper, and MrMolotov have good intent, they presume that you intend to consume this plant. Datura has several practical uses that don't include going into schizofrenic delerium for 18 hours. It goes nicely with Cannabis (SMOKED, NOT EATEN!), and it has several medical properties that are relatively unique. When mixed into an ointment, datura can be used to treat burns and, more significantly, arthritis. The smoke of datura is a strong anti-spasmodic (acting on resperitory muscles) and very potent anticholinegic. This basically means that it can be used to treat asthma (ironically, the smoke of Datura is simultaniously helpful and harmul to the lungs). or to make it easier to smoke other things. And, as a side note, the safest way to ingst Datura is through enema registration (up the ass-hole, in other words)...
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leafing
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so what are the long ter effects or short... i was actually reading a experience report where smoking the seeds is a better way to try it..... also exactly what kind of species is it..
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Re: datura... [Re: leafing]
#4765561 - 10/06/05 07:05 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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soo i just smoke the seeds... how are the effects .. how many nseeds...(also the seeds are brown ) well you can see in the picture...........
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Re: datura... [Re: leafing]
#4765693 - 10/06/05 07:28 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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should i smoike the leaves and seeds... also i have no weed to mix in so ill just mix the seeds and leaves
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ThePredator
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Re: datura... [Re: leafing]
#4765718 - 10/06/05 07:33 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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The flowers are supposed ot contain the most alkalines, so I would not suggest using them. The best way would be to keep the leaves in an air tight jar for a couple weeks to cure it. And I don't know about the seeds.
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Re: datura... [Re: leafing]
#4765957 - 10/06/05 08:19 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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dude that stuff is poison. don't do anything with that except throw it away. i have heard that smoking flowers is not as bad as eating the seeds. definately don't eat that. read a recent trip report on it in the trip report forum. do a search around this site in general on datura. read whatever wiccan seeker( a moderator) says about it in his posts.
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Re: datura... [Re: Shnezbit]
#4766194 - 10/06/05 09:25 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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hmm... i heard that taking datura before sleep can induce lucid dreaming.. is there any truth behind that??
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Re: datura... [Re: leafing]
#4766342 - 10/06/05 09:51 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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i found out what datura it is.. i think its datura weightii... check out my pic of the seed pod against this pic http://www.erowid.org/plants/show_image.php?i=datura/datura_weightii_seedpod1.jpg
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ThePredator
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Re: datura... [Re: leafing]
#4766408 - 10/06/05 10:01 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you count being unable to tell that your awake and horrorish nighmare things and stuff you could never think up before and you can't even start to comprehend is lucid dreaming then yes.
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well i took like 50 seeds smoked some , smoked leaves... and i feel nothing.
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Re: datura... [Re: leafing]
#4766803 - 10/06/05 11:10 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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but i just took my antipsychotics so maybe thats why
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Re: datura... [Re: leafing]
#4767293 - 10/07/05 01:20 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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You should get rid of what ever flesh you have of that plant, its seeds, its children, and not look back ... Medicinal uses of this plant are many, but in extreamly controled amounts , smoking a very small piece of leaf will open the airway , but smoking too much, will result in the same delerium as consuming it otherways, the salve, or ointment, also will produce delerium, the medicinal uses of these plants are very valid, but what is considered medicinal , is open to speculation , I can say from from personal experience , a single leaf, the size of a adult males hand , taken on a specific day , can leave someone delerius for a few days ... It is not something to play with I am sorry, and my intentions are very simple, I do not wish to see someone die. The thing with tropane nightshades, they are not a cut and dry matter when it comes to dosage, the dosage depends on the weather, the specific plant , the species , the lunar cycle , part of the plant ... its extreamly variable , there are ways to prepare it correctly for a specific application , but I would never advise anyone to attempt it without being shown in person , all thoes factors need to be considered, and ( use X amount of seeds, or This much leaf ) is no different then russian roulette . As for long term side effects ... Things you probobly dont want to deal with if you dont experience it already ... Pupils that will dilate randomly, reocurant dry mouth over the years, seeing and speaking / reacting to things that others do not, days, weeks, months ... years ... after the fact ... If you are just wondering what happens when you ' take it ' give the plant the benifit of the doubt, that it will take the breath out of your lungs, and the beat out of your heart Tomany people turn to the internet for advice on this plant , people do survive consumption of the plant, but people do indeed die , and without understanding the plant, surviving is luck it is not pleasent either , unless in medicinal preperation if it is relieving a ailment , I would just leave it alone leafing ,-Tranceharper
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Ah fuck , I responded too late ... My prayers are with you .... Why do people not listen to rational advice ... Blessings to you ... -tranceharper
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