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faslimy
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Can somebody please...
#3731354 - 02/04/05 04:07 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Find me or quote me the law which says you have to pay federal tax in America?
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discoabe
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Re: Can somebody please... [Re: faslimy]
#3731735 - 02/04/05 05:38 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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There isn't one, there are some really good books written about not paying taxes, but once you deside to go down that path you're in for a long haul.
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J4S0N
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Re: Can somebody please... [Re: faslimy]
#3731762 - 02/04/05 05:46 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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I read about a group in Montana that decided not to pay taxes, legally. From what I remember the government made life very difficult for them.
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discoabe
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Re: Can somebody please... [Re: J4S0N]
#3731814 - 02/04/05 06:00 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Exactly, by not paying taxes you pretty much give up the right to use your social security number, and you need that for alot of shit. It takes a lot of planning in advance before you deside to not pay the government.
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Silversoul
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Re: Can somebody please... [Re: discoabe]
#3731834 - 02/04/05 06:05 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Amendment XVI
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
IMO, the worst thing ever added to the Constitution, other than prohibition.
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Re: Can somebody please... [Re: Silversoul]
#3731892 - 02/04/05 06:19 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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That is an amendment stating they can tax the citizens. It is not a law stating they government will tax citizens nor is it a law stating citizens must pay taxes.
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d33p
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Re: Can somebody please... [Re: newuser1492]
#3731926 - 02/04/05 06:30 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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cb9fl said: That is an amendment stating they can tax the citizens. It is not a law stating they government will tax citizens nor is it a law stating citizens must pay taxes.
The constituation as well as its ammendments commonly make use of elastic langauge where by in granting the power to tax incomes to the government it implies that the government will tax its citizens and that its citizens must pay.
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RandalFlagg
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Re: Can somebody please... [Re: J4S0N]
#3731929 - 02/04/05 06:32 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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I read about a group in Montana that decided not to pay taxes, legally. From what I remember the government made life very difficult for them.
I talked to a guy I went to high school with who lived in Vegas for a while. He said he knew this group of guys who went around telling people how to not pay taxes. These guys themselves did not pay taxes. They are in federal court right now on charges.
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faslimy
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Re: Can somebody please... [Re: Silversoul]
#3731937 - 02/04/05 06:35 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Paradigm said:
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Amendment XVI
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
IMO, the worst thing ever added to the Constitution, other than prohibition.
Didn't they pass that on Christmas Day without permission of the states, there were only a couple of people around to agre upon it. Thus making it illegal?
Oh and the last thing I heard of the Montana Freemen is trhat they are being tortured in jail
Edited by faslimy (02/04/05 06:38 PM)
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Silversoul
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Re: Can somebody please... [Re: faslimy]
#3732040 - 02/04/05 07:04 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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faslimy said:
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Paradigm said:
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Amendment XVI
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
IMO, the worst thing ever added to the Constitution, other than prohibition.
Didn't they pass that on Christmas Day without permission of the states, there were only a couple of people around to agre upon it. Thus making it illegal?
I've heard before about how it was passed under questionable circumstances, but I don't think the Supreme Court really cares.
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faslimy
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Re: Can somebody please... [Re: Silversoul]
#3732230 - 02/04/05 07:55 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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No they don't, because they are criminals.. worse than criminals because they are liars and pretend to be good guys
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phi1618
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Re: Can somebody please... [Re: faslimy]
#3732610 - 02/04/05 09:07 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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I beleive what you're interested in is Title 26 http://uscode.house.gov/download/title_26.php specifically Chapter 78 - Discovery of Liability and Enforcement of Title http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/26C78.txt
It includes such gems as:
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(1) Any criminal investigator of the Intelligence Division of the Internal Revenue Service whom the Secretary charges with the duty of enforcing any of the criminal provisions of the internal revenue laws, any other criminal provisions of law relating to internal revenue for the enforcement of which the Secretary is responsible, or any other law for which the Secretary has delegated investigatory authority to the Internal Revenue Service, is, in the performance of his duties, authorized to perform the functions described in paragraph (2). (2) The functions authorized under this subsection to be performed by an officer referred to in paragraph (1) are - (A) to execute and serve search warrants and arrest warrants, and serve subpoenas and summonses issued under authority of the United States; (B) to make arrests without warrant for any offense against the United States relating to the internal revenue laws committed in his presence, or for any felony cognizable under such laws if he has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing any such felony; and (C) to make seizures of property subject to forfeiture under the internal revenue laws.
In other words, if you don't pay your taxes, IRS agents will bust down your door, seize your property, and throw you in jail.
Although, normal IRS agents don't appear to be authorized to carry firearms; only those concerned with enforcing taxes on alcohol, tobacco, and firearms - which might just be ATF agents now, I don't know. But, if you're a criminal tax evader, there're plenty of cops with guns to bring you in.
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ckyrock
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Re: Can somebody please... [Re: phi1618]
#3733366 - 02/04/05 11:39 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Essentially, you are making a contract with the government. If you live in this society, then you must contribute to the society's debt.
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faslimy
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Re: Can somebody please... [Re: ckyrock]
#3733380 - 02/04/05 11:43 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, your birth certificate is your contract. Thats why your name is written in capital letters, just like a corporations name is in capital letters on their contract with the government. So you are a corporation working for the United States, which is actually a corporation in itself owned by the British Royal Family.. it used to be called East India Company but they changed its name to United States.
Every year the US government must give half of its accumulated wealth to the royal family (real wealth such as precious metals, not paper money which is worth nothing)
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Re: Can somebody please... [Re: faslimy]
#3733389 - 02/04/05 11:45 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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faslimy said: Well, your birth certificate is your contract. Thats why your name is written in capital letters, just like a corporations name is in capital letters on their contract with the government. So you are a corporation working for the United States, which is actually a corporation in itself owned by the British Royal Family.. it used to be called East India Company but they changed its name to United States.
Every year the US government must give half of its accumulated wealth to the royal family (real wealth such as precious metals, not paper money which is worth nothing)
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faslimy
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Re: Can somebody please... [Re: Silversoul]
#3733391 - 02/04/05 11:46 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah you should probably ban me from this forum
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DNKYD
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Re: Can somebody please... [Re: faslimy]
#3733436 - 02/04/05 11:57 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why would the royal family want our "wealth"? The Black Nobility has more wealth than the whole world.
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faslimy
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Re: Can somebody please... [Re: DNKYD]
#3733465 - 02/05/05 12:02 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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What're you talking about? paper money?
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DNKYD
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Re: Can somebody please... [Re: faslimy]
#3733510 - 02/05/05 12:08 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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No. Real wealth. They control, directly or indirectly, the flow of economical and physical energy. They own entire countrys' banking systems.
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faslimy
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Re: Can somebody please... [Re: DNKYD]
#3733517 - 02/05/05 12:10 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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hence why the US doesn't pay them in fake money which they already control but rather precious metals and such which they really care about
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