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Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer?
    #2978907 - 08/08/04 05:24 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

There seems to be a great deal of disagreement as to whether heat has an effect on the active chemicals in magic mushrooms. I found this article on Erowid (which I have always thought of as a reliable source):

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info7.shtml

...which says that there is little or no effect. However, I've heard countless other people say that it has a profound effect. Does anyone have a definitive answer (actual testing/experience)?

The reason I ask is I've been looking around for the best possible tea recipe (I'd love more of these, too, if anyone has any), but I've been a little put off by the whole heat issue.

Any help would be greatly appreciated...
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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: kungfu]
    #2978986 - 08/08/04 05:55 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

just boil the water take it off the heat and drop in the grinded, dry mush (dry works a lot better/quicker ime) and put a lid on and let it sit for 20-30mins+. you can add flavoring or whatever at anytime, usually i just throw a tea bag in with the mush then filter and drink and you can hardly taste it. little to no notacable potency loss :stoned:

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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: kungfu]
    #2978995 - 08/08/04 05:58 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

>Does anyone have a definitive answer (actual testing/experience)?

Yes. Heat (up to that of boiling water) has little to no effect if applied for a short period of time.

>I've been looking around for the best possible tea recipe

Best Possible Mushroom Tea RecipeTM

Grind mushrooms to powder with an electric coffee mill,
bring half a cup of water per dose to boil,
remove from flame,
stir in the powder(optionally add fruit tea for better taste),
stir occasionally for 5 minutes,
strain the tea.
Add half a cup of cold water, or ice cubes to bring the temperature down so you are able to drink it,
drink.

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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: Anno]
    #2979173 - 08/08/04 07:35 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

>Does anyone have a definitive answer (actual testing/experience)?

I believe it was In the Magic Mushrooms Growers Guide, by Oss and Oeric that you can even dry Mushrooms in your oven at a temperature of 120F with a slight to no loss of potency.

In my experience mushrooms tea is a very pleasent way to ingest mushrooms, with no loss of potency.

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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: Anno]
    #2979184 - 08/08/04 07:39 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

thanks for the quick help... I guess there's conflicting views on the poll because I didn't define 'heat'... i mean, throwing the mushrooms in a fire would certainly have an 'effect'.

Possibly Better Mushroom Tea Recipe?

I've heard a little acidity helps the water to absorb the psilocybin... perhaps some lemon juice... true?

thanks...

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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: kungfu]
    #2979335 - 08/08/04 08:43 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I tried this, didn't notice any difference. If you grind the mushrooms to a fine powder before you are making the tea, then you will get the best yield regardless of any additions to water.

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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: kungfu]
    #2979871 - 08/08/04 11:45 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

No controversy there. Heat is alright, up to a certain point. Psilocybin breaks down when it's been in boiling water for too long. So don't let the water boil, let it simmer.

Although I disagree with the part about smoking shrooms. I think the heat from the flame breaks down most of the psilocybin. Personal opinion though.

We need to legalize drugs already, so we can research them. How can you make something you can't even comprehend illegal.


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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: kungfu]
    #2983216 - 08/09/04 07:09 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I use fresh mushrooms, boil water, turn off heat add mushrooms and leave for 20mins with lid on, mash up the mushrooms every 5 mins or so, pour brew into coffee plunger, plunge, pour, add flavouring of you choice( i like lemon tea and honey), enjoy :smile:


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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: kungfu]
    #2987637 - 08/10/04 06:06 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Trust me it is a significant reduction of goodies.

HEAT DESTROYS PSILOCYBIN.


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    #2988892 - 08/10/04 10:39 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: Yrtlzmo]
    #2990030 - 08/11/04 06:32 AM (19 years, 7 months ago)

makes me want to listen his advice huh???
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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: kungfu]
    #27032638 - 11/11/20 01:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

almost 6000 days later !

here it is :
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/dta.2950

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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: mykophil]
    #27032783 - 11/11/20 05:07 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

mykophil said:
almost 6000 days later !

here it is :
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/dta.2950

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Can't open the paper. The abstract doesn't even touch the subject.


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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: funky123]
    #27032832 - 11/11/20 06:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I've boiled tea for up to 20 mins before to reduce volume. Had zero issues with potency loss.


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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #27032857 - 11/11/20 06:40 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Vibe_Enthusiast said:
I've boiled tea for up to 20 mins before to reduce volume. Had zero issues with potency loss.




The question is whether there is potency loss - not whether you or anybody has issues with potency loss.


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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: funky123]
    #27032921 - 11/11/20 07:38 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I don't have the money to view the full article, abstract only says a little.


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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: MindMeower]
    #27033143 - 11/11/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

https://sci-hub.st

search for the doi e.g.
10.1002/dta.2950


3.2 Effect of temperature change
Degradation of tryptamines was observed at 25°C, 50°C, 75°C, 100°C, 125°C, and 150°C for 30 minutes according to the procedure attached in the supporting information. The decay in the concentration of phosphorylated tryptamines is significantly noticeable from 100°C. Up to this temperature, the concentrations of phosphorylated tryptamines reduced gradually, for example at 150°C the yields significantly decreased by approximately 80 % (Figure 1). An exception to these results was psilocin, where the concentration increased at higher temperatures. The loss of phosphorylated analytes and at the same time the increased amount of psilocin may be explained by the dephosphorylation of tryptamines to their hydrolyzed forms, which are easily subjected to oxidative degradation. The temperature of 25 °C was chosen for the extraction as it reached the highest yield of analytes, which is in line with the previously published work.

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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: partial agonist]
    #27033264 - 11/11/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you very much, this is a pretty intersting article, well worth a read !


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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: MindMeower]
    #27033614 - 11/11/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

When it comes to tea, I have made it with boiling water and pulverized mushrooms. No effect

The issue becomes when psilocybin comes onto contact with fire or is being heated up more so than boiling

I use a reusable coffee filter (that I wouldn't use for anything else), put it over a cup, pulverize the mushrooms, pour the boiling water in slowly, have the mushroom juice drain into the cup, and then I mix lemon juice in with it to quickly convert to psilocin. Also ginger and honey.

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Re: Psilocybin and heat... a definitive answer? [Re: skOsH]
    #27033789 - 11/11/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I usually take it in my coffee using a coffee grinder to grind into fine powder then just add to my coffee. i dont see a difference in potency from my coffee, although not as hot as tea im sure.

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