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Trips changing over time in the same set, setting and shrooms
#28629397 - 01/21/24 03:33 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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Hi! I was reborn 2 days ago and escaped sensory depravity at least for that day (See my Trip report).
I was wondering that either my last batch of nats were somehow special or my brain chemistry has been changing with each subsequent trip and I finally broke through. What do you think?
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Re: Trips changing over time in the same set, setting and shrooms [Re: Blueberry Muffin]
#28629472 - 01/21/24 06:49 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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For me its always seemed like the more you open that door the easier it is to go back through. In other words, you may not need as much over time.
Its so hard to really tell though. Theres so many factors that make things so much different from trip to trip. For instance, I had this one trip when I was a kid both my friend and I took. We were walking around town and didnt feel much, but any time we went inside a house or building we started tripping hard. Walked back outside and things would calm down. This repeated all day long. It was the strangest thing. Hard to apply things like that to any kind of model.
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Re: Trips changing over time in the same set, setting and shrooms [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
#28629498 - 01/21/24 07:44 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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Set and setting are never the same. You went into this last trip changed by your previous one. So, your relationship with mushrooms changed. Maybe more trust idfyour last trip was good. Maybe a bit more relaxed so you could really tune into the body, etc.
To put it another way, everything changes over time. And your last trip always has a feedback loop with your next. Can't step in the same river twice and all of that.
But to answer your question from a less philosophical and a more personal level, yes, definitely they can change even when it seems everything else us controlled for.
Let go of expectations has been my watchword for awhile now.
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Re: Trips changing over time in the same set, setting and shrooms [Re: tree frog]
#28629506 - 01/21/24 07:55 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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Thank you Tree Frog and Aspect. I suppose it's time to let go of expectations. I was taken by surprise because all of my previous trips were mostly the same. I've read about feeling everything at once and I thought that perhaps I have felt that before but as of the last trip, I can say for sure that there's a lot more to it. I thought that if I take a very high dose of mushrooms again (mostly miserable 8g experience) then I will just experience thought loops and lose myself. I no longer think that is the case. Things that were stuck have started moving and I feel like I'm slowly getting healed. I no longer get extremely sedated and relaxed on a trip probably because my state is not overwhwlmingly stressful anymore and I no longer bump into walls because I cannot feel my body and surroundings right, instead it seems that my concious and senses expand and improve
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Re: Trips changing over time in the same set, setting and shrooms [Re: Blueberry Muffin]
#28629524 - 01/21/24 08:12 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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Boundless awareness is a meditative attainment btw. In psychedelic circles we tend to call it becoming one with everything.
Feeling the whole body is part of this attainment, just in one sense sphere (body consciousness).
Body contemplations can help deepen bodily awareness. Body scans are a relaxing way to do this and body mindfulness practices a more engaged way.
Both have helped me to calm down generally but also help me a lot to deepen my relationship with psychedelics.
I can post or pm some links if that's something you'd be interested in.
Edited by tree frog (01/21/24 08:14 AM)
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Re: Trips changing over time in the same set, setting and shrooms [Re: tree frog]
#28629590 - 01/21/24 09:03 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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Yes please. If you have information on being rejuvinated or reborn, that would be nice as well. It's one thing to read about stuff and another actually experiencing it. I'm hopeful that one day I won't need to take any psycadelics to feel like a 'normal' healthy human being. Taking psycadelics sometimes once a week, often every other day and sometimes every day makes me wary of addiction.
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Re: Trips changing over time in the same set, setting and shrooms [Re: Blueberry Muffin]
#28629683 - 01/21/24 10:10 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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This fifteen minute body scan I think is an excellent starting place. The Plum Village app has a bunch more body scans and other meditations. I use it pretty often.
Bhikkhu Analayo is the teacher I currently practice under the most, and this body contemplation is the stepping off point for his meditations.
As for rebirth, talking to other people in the psychedelic experience or in the spirituality well-being areas here on the shroomery would be a good start for integration.
Stanislov Grof did a lot of psychiatric research on LSD and rebirth experiences. If you can find a copy or a pdf LSD Psychotherapy has a lot of Grof's writings on this as well as strategies they used to help patients integrate these experiences. He and his wife went on to continue this work using holotropic breath work when LSD was criminalized. There's practitioners of this practice all over if you want to check it out or tap them for help with integration of rebirth experiences.
From a Buddhist perspective, Ven. Bhikkhu Analayo, mentioned above, is not only a meditation teacher but a well respected scholar of early Buddhism. He wrote a book not long ago on rebirth. Outlining early Buddhist beliefs on it as well as citing evidence for past life experiences. A pdf copy of that can be found for free, here.
To continue with the Buddhist perspective, in Buddhism there's six primary realms (hell, hungry ghosts, animal, human, deva, gods). Depending on the karmic conditions of our consciousness we're drawn to one of these six realms. When we change our consciousness, we're reborn into one of these other realms. Physical death isn't required.
In other words, ff you had been depressed your consciousness could have been stuck in a lower realm. Tripping may have changed the karmic conditions enough that it felt as if you had died and been reborn.
Nirvana btw is escaping attachment to all six realms. The Buddhist 'goal' isn't to be reborn a god for example, but to not be attached to pleasure or averse to pain (upper and lower realms respectively). It's attachment and aversion that spins the wheel basically. Letting go that gives us freedom.
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Re: Trips changing over time in the same set, setting and shrooms [Re: tree frog]
#28629743 - 01/21/24 11:13 AM (3 months, 25 days ago) |
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Thank you. I personally prefer a more science like approach based on psychology, but I don't shy away from spiritual literature because I believe that both science and spiritual talk about the same truth in different words
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Re: Trips changing over time in the same set, setting and shrooms [Re: Blueberry Muffin]
#28629789 - 01/21/24 12:20 PM (3 months, 24 days ago) |
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Blueberry Muffin said: Thank you. I personally prefer a more science like approach based on psychology, but I don't shy away from spiritual literature because I believe that both science and spiritual talk about the same truth in different words
For sure. Part of the reason I opened with Grof's work is that it's more grounded in modern psychology.
Analayo's stuff is fascinating though, and I find the Buddhist cosmological model of psychology helpful for noticing when my mind has strayed into aversion/anger (hell realm), attachment/sensual desire (hungry ghosts), or delusion/ignorance (animal realm). And his meditation techniques offer antidotes that help me stay balanced.
I find these perspectives and practices helpful while sober, but also while exploring psychedelics.
Edited by tree frog (01/21/24 12:21 PM)
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