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    #28620557 - 01/14/24 06:18 AM (4 months, 2 days ago)

So like if you take the hydrogen atom. One electron around one proton. I’ve been thinking about black holes, reverse stars. And I was wondering, is that a proton? The proton is reverse light?

Even then, just take the proton as a mini quantum system. The electron is another. The electrons spin being blue and the protons spin being yellow.

That got me thinking, something I never liked about the electron. Electricity and light. I’ve been wondering if the electron manages photonic energy. As the photonic energy increases, the gravitational pull is lessened. So the electron moves up in orbit.

I don’t think electricity is the flow of electrons. Rather photonic energy either flowing through the electron or the whole atom. And when too excited and bumped, it escapes as a plasma/wave. The Tesla ladder.

The color difference makes me think they aren’t the same, tho it doesn’t tell me if the whole atom stores photonic energy.


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Re: Physics [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28620568 - 01/14/24 06:38 AM (4 months, 1 day ago)

I think like many aspects of nature and the universe, there are repeating themes. I think there are also considerable differences between astronomical bodies and atomic particles.

Another example: it is recently going around the internet that galaxies also look like neurons, maybe you have seen this?

Or what about the idea that embryonic development roughly recapitulates the evolutionary trajectory (recapitulation theory).

I think these are just examples of pervasive repeating natural themes. When we live in a Universe that is apparently governed by fixed laws I think it is not unexpected to see similar patterns manifested in different ways at different scales.


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Re: Physics [Re: Pscientist]
    #28620570 - 01/14/24 06:42 AM (4 months, 1 day ago)

Retracted

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Re: Physics [Re: Nillion]
    #28620614 - 01/14/24 07:47 AM (4 months, 1 day ago)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadron

About the proton:

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Hadrons are categorized into two broad families: baryons, made of an odd number of quarks (usually three quarks) and mesons, made of an even number of quarks (usually two quarks: one quark and one antiquark).[1] Protons and neutrons (which make the majority of the mass of an atom) are examples of baryons; pions are an example of a meson.,.

Almost all "free" hadrons and antihadrons (meaning, in isolation and not bound within an atomic nucleus) are believed to be unstable and eventually decay into other particles. The only known possible exception is free protons, which appear to be stable, or at least, take immense amounts of time to decay (order of 1034+ years)...

According to the quark model, the properties of hadrons are primarily determined by their so-called valence quarks. For example, a proton is composed of two up quarks (each with electric charge +2⁄3, for a total of +4⁄3 together) and one down quark (with electric charge −1⁄3). Adding these together yields the proton charge of +1. Although quarks also carry color charge, hadrons must have zero total color charge because of a phenomenon called color confinement. That is, hadrons must be "colorless" or "white". The simplest ways for this to occur are with a quark of one color and an antiquark of the corresponding anticolor, or three quarks of different colors. Hadrons with the first arrangement are a type of meson, and those with the second arrangement are a type of baryon.





More about Baryons:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryon


And then there are Leptons:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepton

One type of Lepton is called the electron:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron

Though when it comes to certain subjects Wikipedia is loaded with bad info it actually has a lot of quality info on physics and chemistry.


Technically a star made of antiprotons would be an reverse star, I believe.

The photon page is decent as well:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon

This area of physics seems rather well studied and we appear to know quite a lot about these particles. Of course, I am presenting it from the perspective of quantum chromodynamics. Alternative theories exist but I don't pay a lot of attention to them because the quark material is incredibly well supported.

I'm into physics to some degree because understanding the building blocks it is made of helps me understand more about the Universe.




Well, it’s more the idea of making a proton a quantum system…….and this is where things get real fun.

We live near a yellow sun. What if the sun, its gravitational field influences something like the proton? The spin, which would affect its “color”. A yellow proton for a yellow sun, a it’s quantum harmonic is also its gravitational field harmonic.

Like, I’m talking real hard science. Taking Robert Penrose idea that consciousness is reality and reality is consciousness.

Or another way, quantum mechanics is particle physics. We just forgot the math. And polarity is spectral, based of the gravitational field.

So now we aren’t just in the influence of our sun, but then the gravity of the earth….. it becomes a thing.

Ideally then, you’d find the color of a hydrogen atom in a quantum vacuum. Which would give you a yellow proton and blue electron…….


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Re: Physics [Re: Pscientist]
    #28620639 - 01/14/24 08:17 AM (4 months, 1 day ago)

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Re: Physics [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28620677 - 01/14/24 08:47 AM (4 months, 1 day ago)

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Ideally then, you’d find the color of a hydrogen atom in a quantum vacuum. Which would give you a yellow proton and blue electron…….




Take the third toke.

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Re: Physics [Re: Pscientist]
    #28620824 - 01/14/24 10:58 AM (4 months, 1 day ago)

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Ideally then, you’d find the color of a hydrogen atom in a quantum vacuum. Which would give you a yellow proton and blue electron…….




Take the third toke.

:tmckenna:





Ugh  I forgot Enstein was colorblind and thought it was blue. It’s purple. My bad. That’s what the Azul physics quote Enstein was obsessed about meant. And the blue dot around the sun was to describe the wobble of an electron in orbit.

So yah, that’s pretty much it. A neutron is an almost 0 frequency vibration. A proton is near 0, so instead of qbits having states. Give them spectrums.

Then make the complexity of an electron purple to represent the complexity of a purple star.

And gravity being the base component for the proton and the neutron with the electron being more electromagnetic. Or the amount of light it has, photonic energy, representing how light the particle is.


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Re: Physics [Re: Pscientist]
    #28620861 - 01/14/24 11:18 AM (4 months, 1 day ago)

Retracted

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Re: Physics [Re: Nillion]
    #28620920 - 01/14/24 11:58 AM (4 months, 1 day ago)

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I know I said I was out, but:

Color is a function of wavelength for light.
It literally doesn't exist on an atomic scale.
The color in quantum chromodynamics is not actually color either.

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And gravity being the base component for the proton and the neutron




This really doesn't belong in the Science and Technology section.




The color is a metaphor for the frequency in which it vibrates. The spectrum of function of the electron itself. That’s why Enstein used variables and talked like that.

So we don’t exactly know what light is. We know it’s emitted, and when it hits a surface. It bounces back at the frequency matching the color of the surface.

So in this sense, pure light hits the color blue and reflects as a blue wavelength. With some energy diffusing out, scattering. That’s the flair around a candle so to speak.

And depending on the color source, the reflection is a combined harmonic pattern. So you’d see an off blue if the light was more yellowish than “white”.

It’s still just a construct representation of what we believe light to be. So then, is there both a light matrix that we always see, and another matrix in which a larger function appears as photon? We know there is a medium, tho what that medium is, is heavily debated.

Edit: e=mc^2 if you redefined e as a color and made it blue. The you’d understand what I’m saying, the definition of e is wrong, it should equal purple. Metaphorically. That’s what the blue dot that circles the sun was about in the famous Enstein quote. Find out what e = frequency as blue, and change that to purple. Then e=mc^2


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Re: Physics [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28620943 - 01/14/24 12:20 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

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It bounces back at the frequency matching the color of the surface.



No, it bounces back at the frequency it already is before it hits anything. The act of bouncing doesn't change the frequency / wavelength.

There are similar problems in the remainder of your argumentation. It's a house of cards, with the exception that yours doesn't actually stand.

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Re: Physics [Re: koraks]
    #28620956 - 01/14/24 12:29 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

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It bounces back at the frequency matching the color of the surface.



No, it bounces back at the frequency it already is before it hits anything. The act of bouncing doesn't change the frequency / wavelength.

There are similar problems in the remainder of your argumentation. It's a house of cards, with the exception that yours doesn't actually stand.




It’s an opposite response, think like reverse polarity. Just like you see upside down, and cross compose both eyes to make a singular image that’s preprocessed in the brain. To cover imperfections and hide the holes, or two known blind spots in the brain.

To be honest, we actually have no clue exactly how that happens. Because the rods and cones don’t absorb light. They vibrate at a frequency to send a signal. Or they resonate to the liquid in the eye. It’s weird.

So you see an inverted light pattern, that hits the eye and lense, refracts, flips, then hits the back of the eye. Making the rods and cones resonate, or vibrate sending a signal down the ocular nerve of each eye. Both eyes are cross composed and translated into something you “see” in your head.

So yah, I have an idea of how this process works.


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Re: Physics [Re: Pscientist]
    #28620970 - 01/14/24 12:37 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

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Re: Physics [Re: Nillion]
    #28620993 - 01/14/24 12:48 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

Well if you follow Robert Penrose. And Stuart, the neuroscientist. The nanotubes argument, that cells might be able to communicate via other methods. Or, some process of thought itself aren’t a representation of the neural pathway in the brain.

That’s where quantum physics and things get spooky, though what if consciousness is quantum. A product of complex quantum interactions. Where at one time, we were a simple consciousness of just interaction. Monkey see monkey do, we couldn’t have abstract thought.

This work is especially important when you get into things people have to do. Mathematics that are done at the instinctual level. This would make the possibility of nanotubes and stuff being made to alter the quantum state of the brain.

What is consciousness, especially if you look at reaction times compared to neural activity or speed. Or are our machines slower than the neural activity itself making it appear slower?

That’s a good question. So it depends on your perspective. As relativity in this stance, would be the overall quantum field as a projection of the self. The overall vibrational harmonic the whole body resonates at.

Then you could say, the quantum space you exist in, is a localized field. That is also within a larger localized field and so on.

So what is the exact size of the field of relativity per conscious agent? That is a good question.


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Re: Physics [Re: Pscientist]
    #28620998 - 01/14/24 12:54 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

Retracted

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Re: Physics [Re: Nillion]
    #28621021 - 01/14/24 01:11 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

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To be honest, we actually have no clue exactly how that happens. Because the rods and cones don’t absorb light. They vibrate at a frequency to send a signal. Or they resonate to the liquid in the eye. It’s weird.




You are mistaken.

We know exactly how this works.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photopigment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photoreceptor_protein
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodopsin
There is even classified light based cryogenic computer tech that we developed in the US for our military aircraft. The data medium, being cryogenic involves proteins that denature when they reach warm temps, thus preventing our enemies from being able to obtain the data from a crashed jet or drone.

I saw some lectures, given by research scientists working on this material in 2001-2003.

I'm a person who can be considered at least slightly intelligent by several standards. I think I am dumb but that is besides the point. My point is that over the course of my life I have been mistaken about several things. Including recently. The way I correct this is through self education. One needs to be open to the idea that they have more to learn and then start learning it.

I don't know if you are the type of person who believes that taking psychedelics and thinking about the Universe can provide detailed knowledge about things like particle physics, but it can't. What it can do is make delusional assertions seem true in a very powerful way. Nearly all psychonauts learn this at some point.

The path to knowledge is paved with effort, there are no shortcuts.




That’s the organic response to light stimulation. So it essentially vibrates the retina, which can detach. It’s its own sense organ that uses vibration you could say.

And while this is all fine and dandy, how do you actually visualize. You’re missing my point entirely. When you see something, you aren’t seeing the images or even signals your eyes actually see. It’s a sense, a frequency no matter how you spin it.

So this gets translated in various centers of the brain, there are many queues  that senses use to define what you understand as reality.

In fact every sense, once you get to the neurological sense is frequency or pulse. I two studied psychology, sociology, neural linguistic programming. Calculus, I’ve studied theology, history. War, sung tzu, I studied mental illness. The concept of autism, identic memory, I’ve read up on the worry of CWD in deer as a prion disorder that’s slowly becoming more human in nature, what mad cow is…..

So what I’m talking about, isn’t just the physical representation of light or the neural network. How do you actually compose the image, it’s a lot more complex than your leading on.

The language center of the brain translates language, it’s found to be almost universal. So the word love, lights up the language center of the brain almost universally identical. No matter what language love is said in.

When we got FMRI, feral magnetic resonance imaging for medical. It blew the field up.

So I’m well versed in the brain.

Edit: all I’m saying is, Enstein got the wrong spin on the e=mc^2

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Re: Physics [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28621043 - 01/14/24 01:26 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

Good luck with that.
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Re: Physics [Re: Nillion]
    #28621054 - 01/14/24 01:33 PM (4 months, 1 day ago)

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Good luck with that.
:smile:




Yah, I know. That’s the problem. I’m gonna have to learn physics now to understand what I figured out. Like the actual math. :frown: or somebody who’s better than me.

Cause if you look at the atom like that, a static quantum agent, of smaller agents like Penrose looks at consciousness. Then you could see a much more complex system in particle physics. Where polarity isn’t a 1, -1, 2, or 0….. it would be a much more complex variable like e, or quantum spin.

So now the spin, as a vibration representation. Where white is 0 or something, yellow is like > or <, a range for the proton right?

Where the spin the electron math is currently done with is e=blue as a frequency range. What I’m saying is that range of spin is wrong and it should be closer to something representing purple metaphorically.

What that is? Not sure. But why does a hydrogen based sun look yellow? Why is a black hole black? A white star white?

What frequencies of energy do those colors represent?


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Re: Physics [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28621659 - 01/15/24 01:00 AM (4 months, 1 day ago)

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It’s an opposite response, think like reverse polarity.



No. You're just throwing random words together, making up your own meaning to them (which will turn out to be internally inconsistent) and then calling it an 'understanding'.

You could publish it as poetry or some kind of stream of consciousness. You could use it as a sort of mental amulet to get you through the day. But with science, it has fuck all to do. Sorry.

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Re: Physics [Re: koraks]
    #28621795 - 01/15/24 06:57 AM (4 months, 23 hours ago)

No I’m not, the color gets absorbed by the pigment. The reflection is the wave without the color it reflected from.

You then detect this as color. Yup, look it up. It’s the reverse wave form of the pigment you reflect the light on.

Edit: so dark colors absorb light, hence they absorb heat. That’s the spectrum they absorb, what’s reflected is what doesn’t absorb. And you perceive that as color. Easy.


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Re: Physics [Re: mushroomboy]
    #28621869 - 01/15/24 08:29 AM (4 months, 21 hours ago)

Alright then, since you understand it so well, please explain a couple of things to me.

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mushroomboy said:
the color gets absorbed by the pigment.



Define 'the color'. What is it, according to you?

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The reflection is the wave without the color it reflected from.



Define 'the wave'. It sounds like you're talking about it in the singular. Explain how a single wave would have 'a color' substracted from it.

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You then detect this as color. Yup, look it up. It’s the reverse wave form of the pigment you reflect the light on.



Explain how the wave form relates to color. Explain how inverting this supposed waveform would alter color.

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