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AA+ no veils? * 1
    #28611785 - 01/06/24 01:58 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

This is 18 days following spawning. Looks absolutely lovely, but I'm curious about the veils. I wasn't expecting that.

Why are my veils breaking early? Is this typical for AA+?


T-009 on 01/06/24; 18 days after Noc; 18 days in FC

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Re: AA+ no veils? [Re: mycosispeon]
    #28611845 - 01/06/24 03:12 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

I wouldn't say its a typical AA+. Oddball first flushes are possible with anything.
There is something off about this tub i can't put my finger on it lol.
I normally don't say this but have you misted at all?
It could just be a first flush fluke or it could just be on the hair side of too dry humidity wise. Could also have a hiddeen bacteria that's just giving them a cold :P.

If it was me *I always have another tub when ones running so I'm picky...*
I would harvest flush one a bit early as it looks like you aren't getting a great flush. I would harvest when growth looks like it's slowing down *if it's still in a big push phase let it gooooo. * My experience it all happens within a week give or take.
And then see if flush 2 looks better after a dunk. *idk your moisture content tho might not need*


But for this tubs sake how deep is your substrate *not enough to produce moisture/rh>maybe?*
? How many FAE holes * could be a fae issue*


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Re: AA+ no veils? [Re: mycosispeon] * 1
    #28611865 - 01/06/24 03:33 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

Definitely not typical of the variety.
Aside from their weird growth, your pins look strangely brown for AA+. Unless you keep them under very strong lighting, they will retain their creamy color and even when kept under such conditions, they won't change until their cap starts expanding more.

These were AA+ grown under strong, direct light in a terrarium; while they did turn tan, pins remained white until their veil was close to dropping.


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When aa+ is grown in conditions that kinda suck they sometimes put out normal shrooms


In fact the only time I can recall seeing normal caps come out of aa+ is on grows that are doing sad.




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Re: AA+ no veils? [Re: Chtouxhu]
    #28612114 - 01/06/24 06:48 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

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I normally don't say this but have you misted at all?
It could just be a first flush fluke or it could just be on the hair side of too dry humidity wise. Could also have a hiddeen bacteria that's just giving them a cold :P.



I mist when it looks like it needs it. This tub doesn't look like it needs it to me. Sure, there's no drops on the substrate, but there's nothing I can do about that at this point. Personally, I think the holes are too big. This is only a 20qt tub and the holes (of which there are 4) are 2". The substrate is 2" deep. I did a 1:1 ratio on this one.

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I would harvest flush one a bit early as it looks like you aren't getting a great flush. I would harvest when growth looks like it's slowing down *if it's still in a big push phase let it gooooo. * My experience it all happens within a week give or take.
And then see if flush 2 looks better after a dunk. *idk your moisture content tho might not need*



Yeah, this grow was a little strange from the start. It colonized pretty fast, but it developed an overlay which I'd only ever heard of in the context of growing nats. Albeit not consistently, this tub is definitely still growing so I'm going to let it go.

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Aside from their weird growth, your pins look strangely brown for AA+. Unless you keep them under very strong lighting, they will retain their creamy color and even when kept under such conditions, they won't change until their cap starts expanding more.
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Interesting. I have been putting them near the window during the day, but I don't get direct sunlight ever here.

I'm just going to chalk this one up to: "I did a lot of shit wrong" lol. I'm questioning everything at this point. Going back to the cleanliness of my grain. This was the day before I spawned and I used the first and third jars.


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Re: AA+ no veils? [Re: mycosispeon] * 3
    #28612325 - 01/06/24 08:48 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

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This is 18 days following spawning. Looks absolutely lovely, but I'm curious about the veils. I wasn't expecting that.

Why are my veils breaking early? Is this typical for AA+?


T-009 on 01/06/24; 18 days after Noc; 18 days in FC





This is very typical of a bacterial contamination: stunted and deformed growth, dark brown stripes going length-wise on your stipes, caps opening prematurely, basically everything you're seeing in there is an indicator of bacteria..not trying to be a dick lol your caps are likely opening prematurely because the mushrooms are going into 'survival mode' and they're trying to dump their genetics as fast as possible for future generations, although this premature they may be sterile (sporeless).

Your spawn is not good homie. All of the growth in your jars is thick and chunky (bacteria). Let's work on your technique, ensuring you have a clean culture to begin with, and improving your sterile technique when inoculating jars :thumbup: LAGM is a good place to practice! I'll come back to edit this response and provide a link with videos on how to properly inoculate a jar with an agar wedge as I suspect nocin' up your jars and your cultures are your biggest culprits at the moment.


clean AA+ culture on agar (pardon the specks in the agar, that was before I got a blender for my yeast plates)

this is millet, but this is what clean spawn looks like. You want thin growth, not clumps.

and just for funsies, this is what AA+ should look like


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Re: AA+ no veils? [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl] * 2
    #28612380 - 01/06/24 09:41 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

several great videos illustrating sterile technique, including how to inoculate jars with agar wedges. These videos are all part of Bod's Easy As Fuck cultivation TEK series.

You don't need to start from scratch. As I've said before I think you're right on the edge of being highly successful, but there is a lot of great information throughout those TEKs that will help you clean up your techniques and streamline your process. Hopefully that helps you out a little bit


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Re: AA+ no veils? [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #28613018 - 01/07/24 01:14 PM (4 months, 8 days ago)

I appreciate that and that makes total sense to me.

I figured out a few weeks back (I think after I inoculated these jars) that the edges of an agar plate are a no-no zone since I often have some amount of condensation in about half of my plates. I had a sample that had grown to the edge and there was this sector where nice, thick, ropey myc had started to grow up the side of the dish. I isolated two samples and transferred them to new dishes. They both failed miserably. Actually, I still have them:

I ended up isolating two new samples from the surface of that same dish which then went through two more rounds of clean up and resulted in the two Maz dishes I posted the other day.

Obviously, since I did a "tiger drop" I got all the agar including the edges. I'm wondering if this is a likely failure point in this case...?

So...? Are the fruits trash? Is the tub trash?

Edited by mycosispeon (01/07/24 01:20 PM)

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Re: AA+ no veils? [Re: mycosispeon] * 1
    #28613035 - 01/07/24 01:27 PM (4 months, 8 days ago)

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several great videos illustrating sterile technique, including how to inoculate jars with agar wedges. These videos are all part of Bod's Easy As Fuck cultivation TEK series.



Yes! I've actually watched or read most of Bod's stuff, but will go through them again! Great source of information.

Also, you don't have to apologize for speaking the truth. You're always respectful. Clearly you have a passion for this hobby and an enthusiasm for helping others that I and undoubtedly many others appreciate

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Re: AA+ no veils? [Re: mycosispeon]
    #28613263 - 01/07/24 05:15 PM (4 months, 8 days ago)

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I appreciate that and that makes total sense to me.

I figured out a few weeks back (I think after I inoculated these jars) that the edges of an agar plate are a no-no zone Good catch! Any time I get satellite contaminations pop up on my plates they always start on the very edge. If your plate grows all the way to the edge that OK. I just cut big triangles out of my plates to put to grains, leaving the edge behind.since I often have some amount of condensation in about half of my plates. I had a sample that had grown to the edge and there was this sector where nice, thick, ropey myc had started to grow up the side of the dish. I isolated two samples and transferred them to new dishes. They both failed miserably. Actually, I still have them:

I ended up isolating two new samples from the surface of that same dish which then went through two more rounds of clean up and resulted in the two Maz dishes I posted the other day.

Those plates you linked look great! Very excited to see what comes of those, and I think the results of those plates will help narrow down where your issues are coming from since you now have clean cultures. If your jars go bacterial, it's either prep or technique at that point and they're both pretty easy problems to resolve :thumbup:

Obviously, since I did a "tiger drop" I got all the agar including the edges. I'm wondering if this is a likely failure point in this case...?

It's possible but I wouldn't think it's our leading suspect. In my experience satellite contaminations on agar always show up within 2 weeks, so assuming your plates haven't reached the edge in 2 weeks you'd likely notice anything that were to show up uninvited.

So...? Are the fruits trash? Is the tub trash?

The fruits won't win any beauty contests but they're still perfectly good to consume. If you're ever worried about contaminated fruits then you can certainly boil it into some tea! Crunch up your desired dose of dry mushrooms, pour lemon juice over top of them and let soak for like 5-10 minutes while you boil water and brew a batch of tea. Discard tea bag, drop crunched up mush and lemon juice into water, boil for 12-15 minutes, strain and gulp it down. Boiling kills any potentially harmful nasties so you'll be fine and mushroom tea hits FAST but doesn't last quite as long as a normal trip. Perfect for a lazy afternoon :smile:

You've got nothing to lose by keeping the tub around. It's fruiting, after all. Unless you need the tub for your next project I'd let it go and push out as much as it can.

Keep up the good work!


Also, are you still using the forum with the 'stock' dark navy blue background and white font? I just don't want to keep replying to your threads in colors that would be harder to read. One of the first things I figured out how to do was change my background or I would have abandoned the site after a short time lol





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Re: AA+ no veils? [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
    #28613369 - 01/07/24 07:49 PM (4 months, 8 days ago)

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Those plates you linked look great! Very excited to see what comes of those, and I think the results of those plates will help narrow down where your issues are coming from since you now have clean cultures. If your jars go bacterial, it's either prep or technique at that point and they're both pretty easy problems to resolve :thumbup:



Me too... I started soaking some rye tonight, I'll finish the prep on it tomorrow and inoculate on probably Tuesday.

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It's possible but I wouldn't think it's our leading suspect. In my experience satellite contaminations on agar always show up within 2 weeks, so assuming your plates haven't reached the edge in 2 weeks you'd likely notice anything that were to show up uninvited.



Hmm, I don't know then. Here are the 2 dishes that ended up going into the 2 jars that I used to spawn this tub. I thought they looked pretty clean. 064 look amazing and I just thought that 062 was probably not a mono-strain sample, but figured it'd be fine.


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The fruits won't win any beauty contests but they're still perfectly good to consume. If you're ever worried about contaminated fruits then you can certainly boil it into some tea! Crunch up your desired dose of dry mushrooms, pour lemon juice over top of them and let soak for like 5-10 minutes while you boil water and brew a batch of tea. Discard tea bag, drop crunched up mush and lemon juice into water, boil for 12-15 minutes, strain and gulp it down. Boiling kills any potentially harmful nasties so you'll be fine and mushroom tea hits FAST but doesn't last quite as long as a normal trip. Perfect for a lazy afternoon :smile:



Lemon TEK AND Tea TEK, eh? Nice! I've done them both (I usually go the tea route), but I haven't tried combining the two. Next time! :grin:

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You've got nothing to lose by keeping the tub around. It's fruiting, after all. Unless you need the tub for your next project I'd let it go and push out as much as it can.

Keep up the good work!




I have lots of tubs yes, so I'll let it go for now. I have a feeling my tub of KSSS is going to come out all weird and shit too. We'll see.

And thanks! I'll figure this out eventually. Usually by now my ADHD would have led me to a new hobby, so this one is probably here to stay :crazy2:

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Also, are you still using the forum with the 'stock' dark navy blue background and white font? I just don't want to keep replying to your threads in colors that would be harder to read. One of the first things I figured out how to do was change my background or I would have abandoned the site after a short time lol



As a matter of fact, I am! I saw that there was an option to change the theme, but I haven't played around with it yet. I'll give it a try. I have to say the devs have done and ARE doing an amazing job with this platform. So many damn bells and whistles!

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Re: AA+ no veils? [Re: mycosispeon]
    #28615117 - 01/09/24 11:11 AM (4 months, 6 days ago)

Still going

pic from 1/5 on left... and today on right



Check out that two-headed freak on the left! :crazy2:

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Re: AA+ no veils? [Re: mycosispeon]
    #28616457 - 01/10/24 02:19 PM (4 months, 5 days ago)

Reposting this here for additional replies.

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The biggest fruits are now fully opened and it's not sporulating (as bitfootscreepyuncl suspected). I'm wondering what I should do with it.



Harvest? Trash? Let go?

If Harvest: Harvest in full? Harvest just the biggest?

If Harvest in full: soak and attempt a second flush? Trash?

Here are some close-ups. To get an idea of scale, this is a 20qt tub. Filtered holes are 2"





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Re: AA+ no veils? [Re: mycosispeon]
    #28619829 - 01/13/24 02:00 PM (4 months, 2 days ago)

I  flushed out the tub today. These ended up being the best of the fruits. Wet yield: 248g. Aborts were definitely over 50%



I don't need the tub quite yet, so I'm going to soak it and hope the second flush is better, but I'm guessing if there is adversity due to bacterial contam, it will repeat in every flush.

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Re: AA+ no veils? [Re: mycosispeon] * 1
    #28627730 - 01/19/24 08:08 PM (3 months, 27 days ago)

For those keeping score at home... my second flush of this tub has been a little shocking. I dunked the cake 6 days ago, within 24-48 hours I had over a hundred new white-headed pins. In the last 3 days a handful have grown into much more healthy looking fruits.



I ended up yielding 248g wet from the first flush and I wouldn't be surprised if I get 200 more from the second.

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Re: AA+ no veils? [Re: mycosispeon]
    #28627741 - 01/19/24 08:13 PM (3 months, 27 days ago)

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For those keeping score at home... my second flush of this tub has been a little shocking. I dunked the cake 6 days ago, within 24-48 hours I had over a hundred new white-headed pins. In the last 3 days a handful have grown into much more healthy looking fruits.



I ended up yielding 248g wet from the first flush and I wouldn't be surprised if I get 200 more from the second.




Catches ya off guard doesnt it :P.
when the ball starts rolling it's hard to stop.
And it's surprisingly easy once you let shroomjesus take the wheel.
Congrats by the way.


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Re: AA+ no veils? [Re: Silentraindrops]
    #28627766 - 01/19/24 08:41 PM (3 months, 27 days ago)

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For those keeping score at home... my second flush of this tub has been a little shocking. I dunked the cake 6 days ago, within 24-48 hours I had over a hundred new white-headed pins. In the last 3 days a handful have grown into much more healthy looking fruits.



I ended up yielding 248g wet from the first flush and I wouldn't be surprised if I get 200 more from the second.




Catches ya off guard doesnt it :P.
when the ball starts rolling it's hard to stop.
And it's surprisingly easy once you let shroomjesus take the wheel.
Congrats by the way.



fuck yes. Love this hobby :rockon:

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Re: AA+ no veils? [Re: mycosispeon]
    #28637322 - 01/27/24 07:02 PM (3 months, 19 days ago)

Well, I made it to a third flush and while there are only 20 fruits, some of them are nice


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Re: AA+ no veils? [Re: mycosispeon]
    #28674440 - 02/24/24 04:47 PM (2 months, 22 days ago)

Recording for posterity :laugh:

I ended up getting four flushes, each with larger and fewer fruits than the last. 2 jars spawned at a 1:1, 49 days from spawning to disposal. Total dry weight: 72.9g.

I'm pretty happy with the grow and the experience didn't disappoint either. I tried these fruits out on 1/20. 3.5g ground and steeped in a tea. It was a warm, sensual trip that lasted around 4.5-5 hours.

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