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#28542658 - 11/14/23 01:10 PM (6 months, 20 hours ago) |
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Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog November 14, 2023 - The Messenger
Bryn Spejcher, 32, had her charges downgraded from murder to involuntary manslaughter after a psychiatrist backed her defense
An "animal lover" who is accused of fatally stabbing her boyfriend 108 times then killing her dog has had her charges reduced from murder to involuntary manslaughter after a psychiatrist testified that "cannabis-induced psychosis" caused her to kill.
Bryn Spejcher, 32, clutched a photo of herself with her pup, a husky, during jury selection last week in Ventura County.
The audiologist allegedly smoked marijuana from a bong before plunging three knives — including an 8-inch serrated bread knife — into her boyfriend Chad O'Melia 108 times, according to the Ventura County Star.
The purportedly weed-spurred killing occurred inside O'Melia's condominium in Thousand Oaks, and the victim had stab wounds to nearly every part of his body, according to investigators.
Prosecutors say she then killed her dog with one of the knives before stabbing herself.
Responding police said she continued stabbing herself even as an officer used his stun gun on, trying to stop her. She only dropped the knife after another officer hit her nine times with his retractable steel baton.
Surgeons managed to save her life.
Her defense team contends that Spejcher was in the midst of a marijuana-induced psychosis the night she killed O'Melia and her pooch.
Recreational pot use was legalized in California after voters approved a 2016 ballot measure. For two decades before that, it was available for medical use with a doctor's note.
Spejcher confessed to police and was charged with murder. But last month, Judge David Worley approved a motion from prosecutors, seeking to have the charge reduced to involuntary manslaughter, reports the Thousand Oaks Acorn.
Her maximum possible sentence was reduced from 25 years to just four.
The decision followed the district attorney's receipt of Spejcher's psychological evaluations. Experts have suggested in court filings Spejcher's decision to harm her dog had to have resulted from a psychotic episode, as she's an "animal lover."
O'Melia's family staunchly opposed the move, and continues to insist Spejcher be charged with murder.
O'Melia and Spejcher had met at a dog park and were only dating a few weeks at the time of his killing. She was 27 and he was 26.
Spejcher allegedly told police that, after smoking the pot, she'd had an out-of-body experience, and thought she was dead. Voices then started telling her to save herself, she needed to kill O'Melia, according to police.
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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: veggie] 5
#28543289 - 11/14/23 08:26 PM (6 months, 12 hours ago) |
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This sets a very bad precedent, we all know that when a person smokes weed they still have control of what they do. This is going to make it easier for someone else to get away with murder.
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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: sk8fast] 2
#28543573 - 11/15/23 03:09 AM (6 months, 6 hours ago) |
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4 years for murder, 10 for drugs. Welcome to America i guess?
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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: veggie]
#28543702 - 11/15/23 08:00 AM (6 months, 1 hour ago) |
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Such bullshit Nobody tht I know even fights on cannabis
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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
#28544029 - 11/15/23 01:18 PM (5 months, 30 days ago) |
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Bullsh*t cannabis didn’t induce a murder spree she was just crazy as hell to begin with. Don’t blame these plant medicines for evil.
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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: veggie] 1
#28544487 - 11/15/23 07:11 PM (5 months, 30 days ago) |
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There's gotta be more to this story. Did the defendant sleep with the judge or something?
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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] 1
#28544579 - 11/15/23 08:31 PM (5 months, 30 days ago) |
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Is there any documented cases of cannabis induced temporary psychosis? I know it can reveal mild schizophrenia symptoms in people, but I've never once in my entire life heard of cannabis solely causing a psychotic break in someone.
Like maybe it was the straw that broke the camels back, but it's never the last straw that breaks the camels back, it's all the straw underneath it. And somehow this becoming a legal argument to drop her charges... what the fuck?
That's fucking insane that one single psychologist is enough for her to get her murder charges downgraded. Is this the first ever documented case of cannabis induced psychosis resulting in murder in history? If so, odds are it wasn't the cannabis.
I can't believe this bitch convinced someone she was actually crazy in order to get her sentence reduced, but the legal system does sway that way.
Regardless, it's still insane to me that people will get more time in prison for possessing drugs then this bitch will get for murdering someone.
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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: Typerwritermonky]
#28544772 - 11/16/23 04:00 AM (5 months, 30 days ago) |
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It was laced IMO. Probably DMT or something. Maybe dudes roomamtes or their random friends used his bong while he was at work.
I can't believe they didn't test the bong stem after finding the low 4% THC weed that they smoked, and also hearing testimony from the guys roommate that he also hit the bong for the first time and seen the walls moving, and started freaking out too, etc.
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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: veggie]
#28544773 - 11/16/23 04:02 AM (5 months, 30 days ago) |
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Holy Shit.......Holy Shit. Gross.
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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: PsillySeeEms] 1
#28544805 - 11/16/23 05:41 AM (5 months, 30 days ago) |
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PsillySeeEms said: It was laced IMO. Probably DMT or something. Maybe dudes roomamtes or their random friends used his bong while he was at work.
I can't believe they didn't test the bong stem after finding the low 4% THC weed that they smoked, and also hearing testimony from the guys roommate that he also hit the bong for the first time and seen the walls moving, and started freaking out too, etc.
Naah DMT is too grounding and too short duration. Theoretically could be salvia, it has weird effects on some people but IDK, i had only good experience on it.
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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: veggie]
#28545794 - 11/16/23 09:03 PM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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People should really stop blaming drugs for their own fucked up personalities and thoughts. She'll be forced to exhibit as much apologetic and remorseful behavior as possible because her dopamine sources have been forcefully taken away by being arrested. She would have to be clinically insane to continue acting the homicidal angry way after being arrested, which would imply that it wasn't anything caused by the cannabis.
Sure, drugs can be bad. Drugs are bad... for BAD PEOPLE.
I've used and been addicted to crack/cocaine, meth, heroin, and the legal drugs like tobacco, alcohol, and coffee, and used cannabis frequently since I was like 18, but right now, I haven't used any cannabis in like 3 months.
Never caused problems for anyone while under the influence or addicted to drugs. It's strange that even though someone who is guilty of a crime is not going to get out of it or get a lenient sentence if they were confirmed to be under the influence of drug(s) yet there is always someone saying how the drugs were the cause, just like in this news article's title. These stupid idiotic people are not difficult to understand or figure out. So it's dumb as shit to try and blame a drug. It doesn't really make any sense for everyone to claim that a drug caused it, yet the criminal will still face the same consequences as someone who did what they did while sober. The use of a drug does not explain homicidal behavior, and when murderers are confirmed to have not used drugs when they murdered, people don't know what to think. Although I do think it's possible that someone could be so unhealthy that when they take a drug, it could cause some serious problems because they are trying to make their body do something that it just may not be able to do. A long time ago at some point in my life when I was just not taking care of myself or eating right and was depressed, I noticed that certain drugs seem to cause me to very quickly develop symptoms of mental illness. Like over the course of a few days, that was when I realized that being unhealthy and using drugs can nearly instantly cause symptoms of mental illness. My only symptoms weren't anything violent or crazy, just having really depressing/unhappy/strange/weird thoughts, feelings and experiences that I don't remember ever having before.
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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: veggie] 2
#28546075 - 11/17/23 06:20 AM (5 months, 29 days ago) |
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Maybe she was smoking spice?
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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
#28546550 - 11/17/23 02:15 PM (5 months, 28 days ago) |
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Everyone seems to be using anecdotes to disprove her position. Just because you've not experienced something like this doesn't mean it couldn't happen. This guy shot his wife after eating THC gummies. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/denver-man-who-said-marijuana-made-him-kill-his-wife-n744056 There was some history of schizophrenia in his family. I imagine if Bryn's history were looked into, something similar might turn up. It might be worth investigating whether or not she's had any episodes or indication of something like schizophrenia prior to this event.
Atorvastatin is said to be the most prescribed prescription drug, but carries the risk of kidney, liver, and muscle damage. It is safe for a majority of users. Some people get fucked up from using it. They same is true for marijuana. The substance is under-studied and the rare adverse reactions are over-reported. Ultimately, I doubt anyone's position on the substance is changed much. People who were opposed are still opposed. Those in favor still are. I don't think it's good form to attack the woman in this story. She's lost her boyfriend, her dog, and almost killed herself.
Edit: This part is interesting. "Spejcher confessed to police and was charged with murder. But last month, Judge David Worley approved a motion from prosecutors, seeking to have the charge reduced to involuntary manslaughter, reports the Thousand Oaks Acorn."
Seems the reduction in charges originated with the prosecution
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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
#28547667 - 11/18/23 09:28 AM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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Prosecutors realized they wouldn't get murder charges to stick so they motioned to have the charges lowered to involuntary manslaughter to get those to stick. Classic tactic.
But there is no fucking way prosecutors submitted this evidence. This is reaction to the defense claiming psychosis and act of insanity.
Cannabis doesn't cause people to kill people, even schizophrenic people. You don't just smoke weed and then start murdering people. These people are sick in the head and should be institutionalized for at least a decade, they'd have murdered them anyway.
It's just selfish ass people wanting less consequences and not giving a fuck what they have to do to get it. Honestly I used to have so much more compassion but these days I say just turn them to mulch or soylent green.
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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: Typerwritermonky]
#28547764 - 11/18/23 10:57 AM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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The woman in this story is worse than the average murderer. She stabbed the guy 108 times. That's dedication. That takes a lot of energy and effort and persistence. And to top it off, she stabbed the poor dog to death. This person is the epitome of evil and should get death penalty.
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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] 1
#28548181 - 11/18/23 04:46 PM (5 months, 27 days ago) |
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I'll take undiagnosed pre-existing conditions for $1000 Alex.
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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: veggie]
#28549703 - 11/19/23 10:59 PM (5 months, 26 days ago) |
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Well, it’s a good thing that we’re past the point where people will believe anything like this. It’s been a long time since marijuana madness was shown as a play. I heard of some dude who brought a gun to a festival. Took a bunch of mushrooms. Then decided to go back to the tent and start murdering people with his gun.
That asshole got arrested too. No one’s buying “the drugs made me do it” excuse anymore.
As long as we don’t let anybody become the scapegoat. Psychedelics should be legalized in this country soon.
Dumb ass holes like this will be probably the only thing that could get that taken away. But even the guy who tried to crash a plane while on mushrooms. Still is responsible for trying to crash a plane. The mushrooms are not responsible for making him crash a plane.
Bunch of Chuds. They should have an extra 5 years put onto their sentences anytime someone tries to claim “the drugs did it, not me.”
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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
#28551838 - 11/21/23 05:18 PM (5 months, 24 days ago) |
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Typerwritermonky said: Prosecutors realized they wouldn't get murder charges to stick so they motioned to have the charges lowered to involuntary manslaughter to get those to stick. Classic tactic.
If there were evidence enough to convict her of murder they would pursue those charges.
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Typerwritermonky said: But there is no fucking way prosecutors submitted this evidence. This is reaction to the defense claiming psychosis and act of insanity.
Right, because it's basically a get out of jail free card. Insanity plea represents 1% of all court cases and of those only 25% are successful. https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/law-disorder/202002/not-guilty-reason-insanity?amp
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Typerwritermonky said: Cannabis doesn't cause people to kill people, even schizophrenic people. You don't just smoke weed and then start murdering people. These people are sick in the head and should be institutionalized for at least a decade, they'd have murdered them anyway.
You got proofs for these claims?
"Cannabis is involved in approximately 50% of psychosis, schizophrenia, and schizophreniform psychosis cases. Cannabis is a known risk factor for schizophrenia, although the exact neurobiological process through which the effects on psychosis occur is not well understood."https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3927252/#:~:text=TRANSITION%20TO%20PSYCHOSIS%20AND%20CANNABIS,occur%20is%20not%20well%20understood. "the consumption of marijuana is associated with an increase in violent behavior over the course of an individual’s lifespan, a high risk of psychosis for frequent users..." "According to research studies, marijuana use causes aggressive behavior, causes or exacerbates psychosis, and produces paranoia. These effects have been illustrated through case studies of highly publicized incidents and heightened political profiles.
These cases contain examples of repeated illustrations of aggression, psychosis and paranoia by marijuana users and intoxication. Ultimately, without the use and intoxication of marijuana, the poor judgment and misperceptions displayed by these individuals would not have been present, reducing the risk for actions that result in senseless deaths." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7084484/
She seemed to be managing before she used marijuana. There's absolutely no way to prove she would've killed without it. Then, when she used it, everything went sideways. Wonder what the reason could be. As for "You don't just smoke weed and then start murdering people" ever hear of gangs? "Other research on drug use among gang members reveals some similar substance use patterns reported on here. For instance, several studies have indicated marijuana is the most commonly used illegal drug, whereby over 90% of the samples reported such use." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4160842/#:~:text=Other%20research%20on%20drug%20use,et%20al.%2C%202006). It is said that 13% of murders in the United States are gang related.
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Typerwritermonky said: It's just selfish ass people wanting less consequences and not giving a fuck what they have to do to get it. Honestly I used to have so much more compassion but these days I say just turn them to mulch or soylent green.
The "ass" is the one from which you've pulled all these assumptions.
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: The woman in this story is worse than the average murderer. She stabbed the guy 108 times. That's dedication. That takes a lot of energy and effort and persistence. And to top it off, she stabbed the poor dog to death. This person is the epitome of evil and should get death penalty.
Did you miss the part where she had to be tazered twice and her arm broken before she would stop stabbing herself?
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GenesisCorrupted said: Well, it’s a good thing that we’re past the point where people will believe anything like this. It’s been a long time since marijuana madness was shown as a play. I heard of some dude who brought a gun to a festival. Took a bunch of mushrooms. Then decided to go back to the tent and start murdering people with his gun.
That asshole got arrested too. No one’s buying “the drugs made me do it” excuse anymore.
As long as we don’t let anybody become the scapegoat. Psychedelics should be legalized in this country soon.
Dumb ass holes like this will be probably the only thing that could get that taken away. But even the guy who tried to crash a plane while on mushrooms. Still is responsible for trying to crash a plane. The mushrooms are not responsible for making him crash a plane.
Bunch of Chuds. They should have an extra 5 years put onto their sentences anytime someone tries to claim “the drugs did it, not me.”
Jesus, what's with you people? If no one was buying it, the court wouldn't consider those sorts of things. If it were just a trick to avoid responsibility, wouldn't someone have figured it out by now? The psychologists who were playing these games found out and punished? Wouldn't the judge have to be in on it too? If these people were functioning prior to having ingested psychoactive drugs and then not. Doesn't that indicate that the drugs caused them to be in a such a state? The defense had a phycology expert and so did the persecution. The prosecution's expert agreed with the defense's. "On Wednesday, jurors heard from the witness whose opinion was perhaps most influential in prosecutors' decision to reduce the charge to manslaughter: Kris Mohandie, a psychologist and consultant to law enforcement agencies who was hired by the Ventura County District Attorney’s Office to examine Spejcher. He interviewed Spejcher in January, after her defense attorneys raised the issue of cannabis-induced psychosis.
Mohandie testified that he reviewed evidence in the case, including police body camera footage and recordings of Spejcher’s interviews with detectives, and met with Spejcher for more than four hours. He administered two standard psychological tests and wrote a 37-page report concluding that Spejcher’s marijuana use that night triggered a psychotic episode that led her to kill.
One of the tests Mohandie gave Spejcher is meant to measure whether someone is “malingering,” or faking their symptoms, and Mohandie said there is no evidence Specjher was faking or exaggerating" https://news.yahoo.com/experts-testify-bryn-spejcher-lost-133018294.html
Involuntary manslaughter could mean she will spend four years in jail or prison if convicted. "A conviction is punishable by up to 4 years in jail or prison and a fine of up to $10,000.00." https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/laws/involuntary-manslaughter/ She's not getting away with something
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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero] 1
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: The woman in this story is worse than the average murderer. She stabbed the guy 108 times. That's dedication. That takes a lot of energy and effort and persistence. And to top it off, she stabbed the poor dog to death. This person is the epitome of evil and should get death penalty.
Did you miss the part where she had to be tazered twice and her arm broken before she would stop stabbing herself?
No, I didn't.
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Re: Woman Claims ‘Cannabis-Induced Psychosis’ Made Her Stab Boyfriend 108 Times Then Kill Her Dog [Re: GenericHero]
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I’m saying that lady had pre-existing conditions. I’m saying she was already insane. I’m saying she was already suicidal. I’m saying that she used marijuana as an excuse. To act out everything she wanted to do.
I’m tired of the scapegoating, put her away. There she can await her psychotherapy.
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