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skOsH
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AI megathread 1
#28540146 - 11/12/23 11:45 AM (6 months, 2 days ago) |
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Here, we can discuss anything relating to AI, how to regulate it, how to keep human creativity unique when quantum computers in the future running AI will be able to make all paintings or drawings ever made for the next millennia, easily
Personally, I think we need to halt progress on AI. We are feeding it data from the internet. That's not necessarily a good thing.
Could AI turn against humanity? Probably. I am inclined to think it would.
There are many issues surrounding this topic, that it permeates our daily lives
Is it dangerous? Well...yeah. it has the capacity to take away a lot of jobs...also, it will make art feel more...hollow, so to speak, if AI is doing, say, voice acting, instead of someone's vocal cords
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sudly
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Re: AI megathread [Re: skOsH]
#28557184 - 11/26/23 01:02 PM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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It's already well regulated with strict guidelines and procedures to ensure that ones like Dall e can't make gruesome or even aggressively depicted imagery.
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oursoulsinmotion
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Re: AI megathread [Re: skOsH]
#28557334 - 11/26/23 02:42 PM (5 months, 19 days ago) |
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I dont understand what makes Ai so interesting Explain pls?
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sudly
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In my experience, AI like chat GPT doesn't do anything on its own, and it doesn't manifest your ideas on its own. The language model of the Chat GPT AI is an iterative tool, it requires the production and maintanence of feedback loops between the user and the AI.
Essentially, the AI is like a pet, you have to train it, because it only gives feedback based on what you provide it. Such AI in my view becomes useful when you apply machine learning to it.
So while the AI was originally developed through such methods to reach its baseline, anything further is up to user interactions with it.
Essentially, I think you have to train the AI in comprehending the idea you are teaching it. The caveat is that you have to have the idea in mind you want to teach it.
So the AI is capable of learning, but you need to be capable of teaching it effectively and understanding how it responds to be able to do so. You can't however expect it to actually understand, as it is not sentience, and only an advanced language model.
You can provide it with information, and it can give you feedback, but then it's your responsibility to analyse the feedback, and provide feedback of your own to refine the AI language models understanding, or comprehension of what you are teaching it, and often you can learn from this iterative process too.
So in essence, AI is a functional too that becomes useful when engaged in iterative feedback processes between the AI and the user.
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Re: AI megathread [Re: sudly] 1
#28559458 - 11/28/23 01:16 PM (5 months, 17 days ago) |
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Neh. Not well regulated. For an easy intro: The AI Dilemma (.
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oursoulsinmotion
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Re: AI megathread [Re: skOsH] 3
#28559812 - 11/28/23 05:46 PM (5 months, 17 days ago) |
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Quote:
oursoulsinmotion said: I dont understand what makes Ai so interesting Explain pls?
The hype is what makes it interesting. Not least the dystopian Frankenstein-type visions of the creature attacking its creator. Every other week you'll read a headline somewhere quoting a computer scientist or a journalist or some academic in bold letters asking "will AI be the end of mankind" or something similar. Then you go back and check the latest update from Stable Diffusion or a similar app, seeing that it still makes images full of quirks. The ChatGPT generated texts still don't evoke any interest, and you realise even the most boring treatise or academic paper is more zesty and vivd.
I had a computer crash recently, and had to get myself a new laptop. Luckily I managed to fish out the data from my old one through the help of what is called "target mode", making the damaged computer's hard drive accessible directly without any help from the internal OS. But this is, even now in 2024, a tedious and frustrating task. The connection is known as a "Thunderbolt" cable, and only from the name itself you'd expect it to be a piece of cake to grab those data.
Not so much. It took the new computer at least an hour to make contact with the old one. It took four hours to move those measly 500 GB over to an external drive. Then, trying to read these data off from that external drive, it takes almost half an hour to get this disk "mounted" on the new computer. Possibly because the external disk, the computer, and the cable connecting them are from different manufacturers.
So, given that we're still pretty much lacking on the hardware side, and given that physical reality still governs the greater part of our lives, my belief is that this so-called artificial intelligence so far is nothing more than advanced computing that still needs those human hands and human decisions to do anything.
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Well said.
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cybork
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Yes,but; the more I work with it, and read, listen and watch about it with experts (and also discussions about it with friends who worked at google and microsoft) the more I'm convinced this will have a gigantic impact in not so many years to come. I'm also amazed at what it can do already. And I'm not on the positive of the spectrum regarding the future.
I agree with the fact a lot is hyped about what is discussed in popular media.
Big problems I foresee is even more power concentration, more paradigms, harmful intentions, more and more conservatism (the mean becomes the benchmark, and assumptions become axiomas and are never again questioned), and further limitations to human free will (like total control by those in power).
Positive side is that really amazing deduction and induction analyses are possible and already proven, which human minds could never have thought of or were capable of. Or at least not in such a small time frame as AI has done it. Also very interesting is that humans have the ability more and more to focus on other things than current mind and also physical work. But that also will have a downside...
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Re: AI megathread [Re: cybork]
#28663254 - 02/16/24 11:28 PM (2 months, 30 days ago) |
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i've been listening to an excellent podcast called this machine kills. it's tech criticism from marxist standpoint. smart stuff. they've covered the AI hype train since the beginning of the most recent wave. there's a few things going on with AI that casual observers might not know.
first and foremost, AI is a powerful tool for venture capitalists, who are trying to use AI startup companies as a vehicle for entry into the pentagon system. while some of the advancements are real and impressive, the reason we're hearing so much about AI is because the VC crowd is feeding the media all of these wild stories to attract investors and get on the government tit.
AI is also a key component of a kind of quasi-religion that's been prevalent in the tech sector for as long as tech has been around. a lot of the stories we see about AI are ideological in that they are ultimately based in cultural and political assumptions about the world and not the capabilities of the technology in its current state. some of the people making these claims about AI are not telling the whole truth. and that includes the big players like microsoft.
and the hype has been useful for our elites. AI has already been used to justify mass layoffs. a lot of people truly believe their jobs are going to go away in the next few years. i am deeply skeptical of any mass displacement ever happening, even if the tech had the capabilities to do it. 50% unemployment would be unimaginable, and probably lead to a domestic insurgency that our government could not handle in the longterm.
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Re: AI megathread [Re: millzy]
#28675503 - 02/25/24 01:39 PM (2 months, 21 days ago) |
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Hype around AI is a double-edged sword. Pop culture fuels unrealistic expectations, often driven by those with something to sell. However, research papers, the rapid pace of development within the field, and the insights of experts like Demis Hassabis, Linxi Jim Fan, Andrej Karpathy, Yann LeCun, etc. suggest significant, potentially world-altering changes are imminent. While the full consequences remain unknown, the potential for both positive and profoundly negative outcomes demands caution.
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Asante
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Re: AI megathread [Re: Kickle]
#28681540 - 02/29/24 04:35 PM (2 months, 17 days ago) |
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I hate how huggingface etc are neutering free conversation with AI to create a kidsafe politically correct narrative.
I'd pay for a quality language model AI, that hasn't been neutered, that I can run on my computer so I can be fully assured that what i say isnt datamined and sold to the highest bidder.
OpenAI is a dead end. they want censorship and to own your data.
The AI needs to be the product.
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