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I know this is suggested here often for decades, but I actually did it, with clones, and with a control: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28349910
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Re: Melatonin added to substrate, and also Tryptophan added to substrate [Re: nektar61] 1
#28358588 - 06/13/23 03:26 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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Friend, I have been reading about the topic, but it's not clear to me since English is not my native language, and I am somewhat confused. Have you achieved anything positive by using tryptophan or melatonin in your substrates?
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sindromededow said: Friend, I have been reading about the topic, but it's not clear to me since English is not my native language, and I am somewhat confused. Have you achieved anything positive by using tryptophan or melatonin in your substrates?
thanks!
I achieved nothing by using tryptophan or melatonin in my substrates. No gain in potency.
I'm inviting other people to repeat the experiment, but if you're looking to grow better shrooms, just learn to clone and clone ones that work well, because melatonin or tryptophan added to substrate didn't do anything noticeable.
To learn to clone, on this post: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=27646632&page=0&vc=1#27646632
read the links marked: --Learn sterile techniques.
--Learn to transfer away from contams (contaminations) on agar.
--Learn to clone.
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Re: Melatonin added to substrate, and also Tryptophan added to substrate [Re: nektar61]
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I will gladly replicate it to see if anything happens "by eye." But the reality is that this experiment from the beginning is destined to have no results, and let me explain why...
It would be good to carry out this experiment involving more people who are interested and knowledgeable or capable of conducting a chromatographic analysis of the control strain that we will be exposing to tryptophan. Initially, it would be good to have a control strain where we only administer one type of grain, perhaps oats... After a few weeks or months, when it bears fruit, we would have to dissect them at a constant temperature that does not exceed 50 degrees and micronize them to make a powder of that control strain. Then we would have to conduct a chromatographic analysis to determine the presence of tryptamines in that strain with that grain. Once we have the report on what that strain can metabolize with that type of grain we provided for nourishment, we will have an average value of what we can obtain with just the grain. Then we would have to repeat the entire procedure, but this time adding tryptophan.
It is a lengthy process that can take months or years. The only way to verify it is with scientific data because you won't notice anything at first glance.
To determine the potency of your psilocybin mushroom bread, you would need to harvest them, dissect them, micronize them, and perform chromatographic analysis in a laboratory or with people who are interested in these topics and dedicated to field research (there should be many qualified individuals).
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Re: Melatonin added to substrate, and also Tryptophan added to substrate [Re: argenpills] 1
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argenpills said: I will gladly replicate it to see if anything happens "by eye." But the reality is that this experiment from the beginning is destined to have no results, and let me explain why...
It would be good to carry out this experiment involving more people who are interested and knowledgeable or capable of conducting a chromatographic analysis of the control strain that we will be exposing to tryptophan. Initially, it would be good to have a control strain where we only administer one type of grain, perhaps oats... After a few weeks or months, when it bears fruit, we would have to dissect them at a constant temperature that does not exceed 50 degrees and micronize them to make a powder of that control strain. Then we would have to conduct a chromatographic analysis to determine the presence of tryptamines in that strain with that grain. Once we have the report on what that strain can metabolize with that type of grain we provided for nourishment, we will have an average value of what we can obtain with just the grain. Then we would have to repeat the entire procedure, but this time adding tryptophan.
It is a lengthy process that can take months or years. The only way to verify it is with scientific data because you won't notice anything at first glance.
To determine the potency of your psilocybin mushroom bread, you would need to harvest them, dissect them, micronize them, and perform chromatographic analysis in a laboratory or with people who are interested in these topics and dedicated to field research (there should be many qualified individuals).
Obviously.
And I mention this in my report (did you read it?) and mention that I've saved vacuum packed shroom results and chemicals in case anyone with a real lab wants to analyze it. And that I invite others to replicate the experiment.
Only people I know of with a lab that can do real quantitative is Oakland people that do Psilo Cup, last year they told me that this year I could enter, and now they're not returning emails.
There are commercial labs in the US where you can pay to anonymously get something analyzed, but it's illegal in the US for a lab to tell someone how much of a substance is in a sample (would be too helpful to "druggies"), they can only tell you what substances are in your sample.
If there was a commercial lab in the US that did quantitative anon results and didn't cost an arm and a leg, I'd have done it.
As much as my experiment was lacking, I've never seen anyone here do a "try this to see if that" even as controlled as I did. That's part of why I did it. Alan does real science. He and others are even finding and ID new active species.
But I haven't seen anyone "try a this vs that" real experiment using a CLONE and a CONTROL group.
People do great work with stabilizing varieties, but not that's not really an experiment, it's not scientific method.
There is a lot on this website where people say they did an "experiment" but don't even come close to the bare minimum I did. I'm not majestic, I'm just pointing out no one really does an actual experiment here.
It's usually "I grew some multispore shrooms and added oxygen from a welding tank, and they're bigger than the last batch I grew without oxygen", so EXPERIMENT SUCCESSFUL. Mission Accomplished! SCIENCE, BITCHES!
If I'm wrong and someone here has done this, please post the link, I'd love to see some, and I can't read this whole website every day.
Welcome.
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Re: Melatonin added to substrate, and also Tryptophan added to substrate [Re: nektar61]
#28360950 - 06/15/23 02:06 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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Friend, I've been researching and reading on the forum, and it seems like things are quite clear. While there aren't very specialized studies showing evidence with photos and chromatographic exams, in this article, you'll find quite a few answers.
Many of these experiments are conducted at "Oakland Hyphae" where they perform chromatographic exams on all participating strains. We should get in touch with those people to conduct tests like the ones mentioned above.
There are many scientists who do good science, but I believe that they, knowing the truth and holding the key to that knowledge, don't engage in debates on these topics. They simply do their thing. It could be everyone's secret.
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Re: Melatonin added to substrate, and also Tryptophan added to substrate [Re: nektar61]
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Re: Melatonin added to substrate, and also Tryptophan added to substrate [Re: argenpills] 1
#28361334 - 06/15/23 06:27 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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argenpills said: Many of these experiments are conducted at "Oakland Hyphae" where they perform chromatographic exams on all participating strains. We should get in touch with those people to conduct tests like the ones mentioned above.
You're posting things and asking questions here. I'm replying in detail, but I think you're not reading my replies, or not reading them very carefully.
That is weird, because it looks like you made an account on Shroomery just to comment on this thread (did you see it on Reddit?). You made your account yesterday, and have only posted on this thread. I don't mind if you did come here just for this, not at all, but if you're going to ask me questions and I answer in detail, please read my replies to your questions carefully before asking more questions I've already answered.
For instance, I replied to you in a post above, before you asked about Oakland Hyphae:
"Only people I know of with a lab that can do real quantitative is Oakland people that do Psilo Cup, last year they told me that this year I could enter, and now they're not returning emails."
Maybe you read that but don't know that Oakland Hyphae runs the Psilo cup. Even if you didn't know that, I also wrote above before your follow up:
"There are commercial labs in the US where you can pay to anonymously get something analyzed, but it's illegal in the US for a lab to tell someone how much of a substance is in a sample (would be too helpful to "druggies"), they can only tell you what substances are in your sample."
"If there was a commercial lab in the US that did quantitative anon results and didn't cost an arm and a leg, I'd have done it."
The two people I have talked with at Hyphae Labs are not responding to my emails, and this email that used to be the Psilo Cup email is now bouncing: psilocybincup@hyphaelabs.org
Also, Did you even carefully read the experiment thread linked in the first post? I'm not sure you did, based on some of your replies here.
HOWEVER: I do think my tests, even using self bio-assay instead of a lab, has strongly indicated (if not proven) one important thing: if there is any additional psychedelic substance produced by adding either of these substances to a grow, it's not substantial.
So this experiment went a long way to debunk the many noobs who've asked here, Reddit, and elsewhere something like "I have an idea for an experiment someone should do. Someone should add Melatonin, or Tryptophan to shroom substrate. It might make stronger shrooms."
It does not make shrooms significantly stronger. If it did I would have tripped hard of a gram. I did not trip hard off a gram.
I invite anyone to duplicate this experiment, USING A CLONE ONLY, and having a control group, and doing it more than once as I did, and see if any of them make you trip hard off a gram, or trip much harder off the same amount.
THAT is science. Even without a lab.
I've seen that so many times.
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#28361891 - 06/16/23 09:24 AM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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Regarding my account on this forum: I created my account specifically to comment on your thread. I'm from Argentina and I have been researching psychedelics for over 15 years (more focused on the synthetic side, particularly MDxx). It seems like not many people care about your thread, but it caught my attention, which is why I'm here, my friend.
I read through the thread, but I didn't quite understand your original post about the conclusions you had reached. English is not my native language, as I mentioned before. However, you explained your results in a simpler way here.
I am also conducting experiments on this subject, and I am confident that the questions that you and I have today already have answers. Someone has already conducted these experiments and knows well what happens. The thing is, those people are not hanging around internet forums, enlightening newcomers who want to play "Breaking Bad" with biological organisms (although it would be good if it happened, LOL).
Predicting what a biological organism will do is very difficult. We have to consider the starting point, such as starting with spores and how long ago those spores were taken from the mushrooms. If we start with agar on a plate or in a liquid culture, we have to make sure the mycelium is not "old" (mycelium ages and loses potency), so we need to regularly sexualize it with spores and allow it to create diploid mycelium.
The link I shared with you resolved many of these doubts for me but raised new ones that go beyond my current capacity for study. I don't think any of these guys here will join our conversation and explain to us how we can make our mushrooms better in a cheap way with a simple element...
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explain to us how we can make our mushrooms better in a cheap way with a simple element
Mushrooms don't need to be made better. They are perfect as they are.
Plain, pure nature. No need to mess around with it.
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#28362212 - 06/16/23 02:45 PM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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argenpills said: Predicting what a biological organism will do is very difficult.
Agreed. Which is why I think that the lab standard pre-human trial technique of head-twitch response (HTR) using mice is a horrible indication of if a drug is psychedelic, or of how much, or in what way.
Sasha Shulgin believed this strongly, even though he'd cut his research teeth working for a large pharmaceutical company that did things like that. Sasha and his wife tested new drugs they created on themselves and on willing friends. His published one-short paragraph assessments of x amount of mg of each new substance say more than 20 pages of mouse results could.
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argenpills said: We have to consider the starting point, such as starting with spores and how long ago those spores were taken from the mushrooms. If we start with agar on a plate or in a liquid culture, we have to make sure the mycelium is not "old" (mycelium ages and loses potency)...
My shroom tests were grown the same way I grow all my shrooms, and I grow constantly. I grow much more than I ingest. I've grown so many that I'm tired of eating them. Other than these recent tests, I mostly just grow them.
These shrooms were grown from fresh spores I collected from previous grows, then put on agar, allowed it to sit about six weeks until it pinned on agar. I made a clone from a plin (plate pin, often the first one is a good candidate for a strong robust clone culture), and used T1 from agar of that to grow these shrooms. There was no senescence here.
They were grown on the same shelf next to each other. Kept at 70 degrees F. Given 6500 k light 12 hours a day once pins showed. Misted as needed.
I didn't explain that in my report because I'd been explaining it all in the forums here as I went along. Didn't include it because I wanted my report to be short enough for laymen to actually read it.
There was no difference in growing, except the two with additions of chemicals took a 3 to 5 days longer to pin. I explained that in my report. I'll link this post in my report, since it offers more information.
I didn't weigh yields, which was a mistake, but doesn't invalidate my experiment. I provided photos of each shoebox grow, they were similar. Dried weight would have been within 5 to 10 percent the same, as would be would be with any clone shoebox grow I grow.
I picked the shrooms once they opened, and dried the shrooms in a dehydrator at 180 F for 24 hours. This doesn't diminish the potency at all. I vacuum sealed the shrooms immediately after trying so there would be no degradation of potency until the up to 6 weeks later that I ingested them. Here's a link to more info on my drying and vacuum tek.
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argenpills said: The link I shared with you resolved many of these doubts for me but raised new ones that go beyond my current capacity for study. I don't think any of these guys here will join our conversation and explain to us how we can make our mushrooms better in a cheap way with a simple element...
I think Yahra's comment just above this is accurate; "Mushrooms don't need to be made better. They are perfect as they are."
Not sure I agree with the second part "Plain, pure nature. No need to mess around with it.", but I do in the sense of chemical additions, and my experiment was just to see if the suggestions from many noobs who've never grown a shroom of adding these substances had any merit. I'm convinced these two substances as grow additions have no merit.
We do "mess with it" around here, in the form of coming up with and selecting new varieties of mushrooms, usually cubes (Psilocybe cubensis). If hundreds of people hand't "messed around with it over the past 25 years (Shroomery is one of the longest-running sites on the Internet), there would be only one variety of magic mushroom, it wouldn't be very strong, and you'd have to go out into a cow pasture after a rain and risk getting caught or even shot to pick it.
I did that myself several times, near San Antonio Texasin 1985, didn't get shot, but did get caught and chased once. Other people I know had warning shots from shotguns blasted over their heads once.
Members of the Shroomery community do a lot of work with improving shrooms by selection, and risk prison to do it. Most popular "strains" (actually varieties is more accurate) of Psilocybe cubensis mushrooms were selected, named, and disseminated from this site. People here are the forefront of it.
I'm working on selecting for an improved, taller, stronger sub-variety of x7x cubes right now. That's a variety that was created by a member here who is in, interestingly for you, Argentina.
But I'm standing on the shoulders of giants, of citizen scientist / gardeners who are obsessed with this stuff.
I appreciate you replying and explaining your position. I hope you stick around and I will read that link you sent.
Katrina
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man, meet your business.
all we know the foundations of scientific research and our attitude is light years the conception of reality and science the common people have. all we heard thousands of times speechs like yours, you point of view isn't new here and isn't new in every place were true research are doing. here, nobody have time to lost trying to please the standard establishment in psychological research. if you feel unconfortable here, leave this site peacefully. no one will go after you or question anything. This is simply not your place.
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argenpills said: I will gladly replicate it to see if anything happens "by eye." But the reality is that this experiment from the beginning is destined to have no results, and let me explain why...
It would be good to carry out this experiment involving more people who are interested and knowledgeable or capable of conducting a chromatographic analysis of the control strain that we will be exposing to tryptophan. Initially, it would be good to have a control strain where we only administer one type of grain, perhaps oats... After a few weeks or months, when it bears fruit, we would have to dissect them at a constant temperature that does not exceed 50 degrees and micronize them to make a powder of that control strain. Then we would have to conduct a chromatographic analysis to determine the presence of tryptamines in that strain with that grain. Once we have the report on what that strain can metabolize with that type of grain we provided for nourishment, we will have an average value of what we can obtain with just the grain. Then we would have to repeat the entire procedure, but this time adding tryptophan.
It is a lengthy process that can take months or years. The only way to verify it is with scientific data because you won't notice anything at first glance.
To determine the potency of your psilocybin mushroom bread, you would need to harvest them, dissect them, micronize them, and perform chromatographic analysis in a laboratory or with people who are interested in these topics and dedicated to field research (there should be many qualified individuals).
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Brother... what the hell are you talking about? You wrote so much shit to contribute absolutely NOTHING to the conversation we were having with another user. If my comment hurt your LGBT feelings, I couldn't care less.
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Re: Melatonin added to substrate, and also Tryptophan added to substrate [Re: nektar61] 2
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HOWEVER: I do think my tests, even using self bio-assay instead of a lab, has strongly indicated (if not proven) one important thing: if there is any additional psychedelic substance produced by adding either of these substances to a grow, it's not substantial.
So this experiment went a long way to debunk the many noobs who've asked here, Reddit, and elsewhere something like "I have an idea for an experiment someone should do. Someone should add Melatonin, or Tryptophan to shroom substrate. It might make stronger shrooms."
It does not make shrooms significantly stronger. If it did I would have tripped hard of a gram. I did not trip hard off a gram.
I invite anyone to duplicate this experiment, USING A CLONE ONLY, and having a control group, and doing it more than once as I did, and see if any of them make you trip hard off a gram, or trip much harder off the same amount.
Hey 👋🏼, I think u need to dig a little deeper into how adding precursors to substrates works….
First of all, tryptophan and melatonin wouldn’t be what you would use to increase psilocybin content in the actual mushroom. The mushroom only uptakes the molecule it usually makes. Otherwise you will have to extract from the mycelium/substrate. So of course you didn’t notice any difference in effects.
If you want to increase indole content in cubensis, you would have needed to use tryptamine or dimethyltryptamine as a precursor. Something that will become 4HODMT with the simple addition of a Hydroxyl group at the four position. Then you will see results.
You could possibly use bacillus subtillus as it is rumored to increase psilocybin content due to additional enzymes. That hasn’t been proven, it just my educated guess and something I’ve been working on. May only increase psilocybin and not overall indole content. (It has additional kinase enzymes that aid in adding phosphate groups crucial to psilocybin production.)
Gartz showed that adding DET to the substrate produced 4-HO-DET and 4PODET. However a lot of people read this and mistakenly confuse the two ideas. You can make novel psychedelics in the MYCELIUM of the mushroom but you won’t make a mushroom with novel psychedelics. You can increase the psilocybin content by adding the right precursors.
The melatonin would have created something like 4,5-Methoxy-N-acetyltryptamine.
The tryptophan would have made 2-Amino-3-4-hydroxy(1H-indol-3-yl)propanoic acid.(not sure how to write the exact name smh)
Have either of those have been shown to be active? Either way, in both cases the products would be found in the substrate.
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Re: Melatonin added to substrate, and also Tryptophan added to substrate [Re: argenpills]
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The link I shared with you resolved many of these doubts for me but raised new ones that go beyond my current capacity for study. I don't think any of these guys here will join our conversation and explain to us how we can make our mushrooms better in a cheap way with a simple element
I just did 
I’ll post a thread with pic/sourced info on this topic soon but here’s a few recipes for anyone interested to try out….
Aside from the above mentioned methods for increasing psilocybin production, the Gartz method suggests it is possible to make a whole range of novel “Super Psychedelics”. From substituted tryptamines, phenethlyamines, amphetamines and beta-carbolines
One important thing to consider is which type of mushroom you are using and how many of which particular enzymes it produces.
Simply put, the PsiH enzyme is the one you want to be most aware of. So far, psilocybe mushrooms have been found to have either 1,2 or three copies of the PsiH enzyme. This adds either 1,2 or 3 hydroxyl groups to your chosen precursor. Generally speaking cubensis have 1 copy of the PsiH enzyme. this adds one HO. Woodlovers generally have either 2 or 3 copies of PsiH and thus have the ability to add 2 and 3 hydroxyl groups.
Note: you will also get a phosphate group added to each hydroxyl group by the PsiK enzyme or bacillus subtillus if using the “Ghost in a Jar” method for making kykeon (yeast, lacto bac, bac Subillus, grapes or other precursor like ergot/barley).
For example: if you started with methamphethamine, you would get 4-MA. 3,4-MA and 3,4,5-MA.
If you used 3,4-MDMA, you would get 3,4,5-MDMA. Very similar to TMA and Mescaline
You could start with a lot of precursors from the phenethlyamine/dopamine path way.
L-dopa, only needs one additional HO to become similar TMA.
Starting with MG Seeds should render hydroxylated form of LSI, LSA, LSH and LSD depending on lysergic source.
Starting with 5HT will yield 4,5-HO-DMT when added to cubensis. This is one is the Goldie locks of the tryptamines. It’s found in wood lovers cyan/azures/P.subs and is created via the additional(2) PsiH enzymes. (no source just alot of research with supporting evidence atm but I am waiting on testing this year)
You should be able to get a double yield of done right. One from the mushrooms and one from the cake.
There are probably hundreds of different compounds you could create with this method.
Note: when u create a tryptamine with three HO groups AND phosphate groups, it becomes a neurotoxin and can cause paralysis. Possibly true for other compounds as well so keep that in mind. In these cases you need to remove the phosphate groups before ingestion. (Look up removing phosphate groups, decontamination of agricultural run off and acetylcholinesterase inhibitor based chemical weapons). Simply put, soak in acid over night and/or boil for 15-20mins. Or expose to high or low PH conditions.
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Re: Melatonin added to substrate, and also Tryptophan added to substrate [Re: nektar61]
#28491084 - 10/03/23 03:10 PM (7 months, 11 days ago) |
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”the two people I have talked with at Hyphae Labs are not responding to my emails, and this email that used to be the Psilo Cup email is now bouncing: psilocybincup@hyphaelabs.org
Also, Did you even carefully read the experiment thread linked in the first post? I'm not sure you did, based on some of your replies here.
HOWEVER: I do think my tests, even using self bio-assay instead of a lab, has strongly indicated (if not proven) one important thing: if there is any additional psychedelic substance produced by adding either of these substances to a grow, it's not substantial.
So this experiment went a long way to debunk the many noobs who've asked here, Reddit, and elsewhere something like "I have an idea for an experiment someone should do. Someone should add Melatonin, or Tryptophan to shroom substrate. It might make stronger shrooms”
Nektar, I am curious, you seem intelligent, well educated and experienced growing mushrooms.
Why would you do this particular experiment when there is absolutely no evidence adding tryptophan or melatonin would increase psilocybin potency?
Anyone with access to google could have easily deducted other precursors were more fitting.
When smart people start acting like they had no idea what was going on it looks suspicious.
Reasonable suspicion isn’t enough for probable cause for investigation. However when they start adding up it can trigger those flashing lights.
You’re obviously intelligent, but maybe you just didn’t research this one as much as you should have and totally missed readily available information …ok move along….nothing to see here people….
Wait, did you say you were at one point in contact with the group at the center of an on going investigation concerning results in psilocybin competitions? Hold up, ima need to see some ID.
I gotta ask…
Have you been posting this information on any other site than the shroomery?
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Nektar, I am curious, you seem intelligent, well educated and experienced growing mushrooms.
Why would you do this particular experiment when there is absolutely no evidence adding tryptophan or melatonin would increase psilocybin potency?
.....You’re obviously intelligent, but maybe you just didn’t research this one as much as you should have and totally missed readily available information …ok move along….nothing to see here people….
Wait, did you say you were at one point in contact with the group at the center of an on going investigation concerning results in psilocybin competitions? Hold up, ima need to see some ID.
I gotta ask…
Have you been posting this information on any other site than the shroomery?
*shines flash light in back of vehicle*
djbabyjesus: What's this weird cop shit you're saying? I'm guessing a joke but I don't get it.
Pretending to be a cop anywhere, but especially on this forum, is fucking creepy.
The other part you said about me sounds insulting. It comes off as you saying to me "You're smart so why are you being dumb?"
I did this test more than anything to hopefully see if I could prove that it would NOT work because people have said they thought it would work. It's obvious, again, that you did not read my whole post about it. My thesis was that it would not work, though was open to testing, and my thesis was found to be correct.
Why does anyone do any of the dozens of "experiments" people post here each week. Curiosity.
As for your "Wait, did you say you were at one point in contact with the group at the center of an on going investigation concerning results in psilocybin competitions?"
The answer is: I don't even know what you're talking about. I think you're confusing me with someone else.
I haven't heard of an "on going investigation concerning results in psilocybin competitions."
Do you have a link? Or is this more cop jokes from you?
I have emailed the Psilo Cup people a year before that email link bounced, and did email their main address from the website since, and after I wrote here about it bouncing.
But when they started asking me for money in the form of gift cards, I gave up on them. And it was them, not an unrelated scammer pretending to be them, according to someone I trust who knows them.
Edited by nektar61 (10/07/23 08:25 AM)
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Re: Melatonin added to substrate, and also Tryptophan added to substrate [Re: nektar61]
#28495614 - 10/07/23 03:59 PM (7 months, 7 days ago) |
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djbabyjesus: What's this weird cop shit you're saying? I'm guessing a joke but I don't get it.
Pretending to be a cop anywhere, but especially on this forum, is fucking creepy.
It’s an allegory….
“a story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.”
The cops, uses state of the art lie detection techniques derived from some of the smartest people in the field of psychology.
Often, when people get caught, they try to discredit the person asking the questions. Kinda like when you tried to make me out to be a creep for calling you a liar. Which I am calling u a liar. Strait up. Oh did I offend you by calling you on your BS? Sorry not sorry. Quote:
The other part you said about me sounds insulting. It comes off as you saying to me "You're smart so why are you being dumb?"
If the shoe fits.
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I did this test more than anything to hopefully see if I could prove that it would NOT work because people have said they thought it would work. It's obvious, again, that you did not read my whole post about it. My thesis was that it would not work, though was open to testing, and my thesis was found to be correct.
Why didn’t you choose and experiment that would work?
I could have told you, throwing shit in a pot doesn’t make diamonds. It’s just dumb unnecessary science. Why would you do that? What a waste. Don’t you think it would make more sense to do something that could provide meaningful results?
Everybody already knows melatonin plus mushrooms doesn’t make you mushrooms stronger. There is ZERO evidence to point that this is true. So why do it? You simply didn’t prove something that has already been proven. It’s pointless.
That’s why I wonder, why does someone that comes off as intelligent, do such an asinine experiment when so many others would have provided ground breaking results. It looks like you didn’t even try. So either A you were just completely ignorant to the current state of affairs in the community, or B you are miss leading us on purpose.
I don’t say this to be mean or offensive but sometimes the truth does sting a little.
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Why does anyone do any of the dozens of "experiments" people post here each week. Curiosity.
You didn’t do dozens, you did one very questionable red herring of an experiment. Then dipped from the site only to return when called out.
I’m willing to bet, you did this on other sites as well as a type of miss information campaign. Something the smartest people in this community are suspected to be involved in. It’s a type of false flag operation. Meant to cover up the inconvenient truth that precursors can be added to substrates yielding positive results and even novel psychedelic drugs.
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The answer is: I don't even know what you're talking about. I think you're confusing me with someone else.
Then u said:
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I have emailed the Psilo Cup people a year before that email link bounced, and did email their main address from the website since, and after I wrote here about it bouncing.
But when they started asking me for money in the form of gift cards, I gave up on them. And it was them, not an unrelated scammer pretending to be them, according to someone I trust who knows them.
So you were at one point in contact with them. So no, I’m not confusing you with someone else. The more I talk to you nektar, the more deception is coming to light. Your story doesn’t check out. Especially when one of the key phrases liars use is “I don’t know what you’re talking about”. It lie detection 101 lol.
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I haven't heard of an "on going investigation concerning results in psilocybin competitions."
Do you have a link? Or is this more cop jokes from you?
Are you blind? We’re doing one right here and now 😂
And for the record I ain’t no cop. I’m the guy the cops are afraid of. When they step to me they take two steps back. True story. I have thick cauliflower ears and I am highly trained in the art of lie detection/interrogation. I am here to take the street cred back from those whom attained it though dishonest means.
Anyone that has been involved in dishonest misinformation surrounding psilocybin cups is in the hot seat right now. I promise, it’s only gonna get hotter with djbabyjesus around. It’s what I do 🔥
There are many people that are questioning the validity of the psilocybin cups and the 3% results as they have not been duplicated by an out side 3rd party.
It pretty cut and dry. There is some info that didn’t make sense. There seems to be people online, swaying the information in a dishonest manner. I find your actions on this site suspicious ok? Is that a crime?
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Re: Melatonin added to substrate, and also Tryptophan added to substrate [Re: nektar61]
#28495621 - 10/07/23 04:18 PM (7 months, 7 days ago) |
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I’m gonna ask you again since you avoided the question (another tell tell sign of deception lol)
Have you been posting this information on any other site than the shroomery?
*shines flash light into your eyeholes*
Idk, I thought the cop jokes were kinda clever and humorous…sorry to ‘creep you out’ or what ever lol
I felt it was an appropriate analogy to the situation. Even if you are infact being totally honest, there are people on here that aren’t. It just so happens to be revolving around the very topic you posted about. If it was an honest mistake on your part, then I apologize, it was an honest mistake on my part and you are free to go.
Maybe do another experiment to regain your street cred? I’d support that.
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Re: Melatonin added to substrate, and also Tryptophan added to substrate [Re: nektar61]
#28495728 - 10/07/23 06:20 PM (7 months, 7 days ago) |
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djbabyjesus said: I’m gonna ask you again since you avoided the question (another tell tell sign of deception lol)
Have you been posting this information on any other site than the shroomery?
*shines flash light into your eyeholes*....Maybe do another experiment to regain your street cred? I’d support that.
The interaction with psilo cup I mentioned, where they asked for money, happened after I posted here that their email was bouncing. I wasn't hiding anything with the first post.
I had a friend post a link on Reddit to my main thread here on Shroomery about the experiment. But I haven't posted that link or a link to this thread anywhere, and I haven't posted about the topic of my experiment anywhere else, ever.
You trying to figure out my other social media accounts by asking where I'm posting makes me think you ARE a cop. You're also asking who I'm emailing. Cops do that.
You're accusing me of deception where there is none. Cops do that, to get suspects emotional, so they'll talk more and say something they wouldn't otherwise.
And you're making tacit threats to me.
Even if you're not a cop, I don't know where this overt cop-like anger and endless obsession at me is coming from. You're accusing me of all sorts of things I didn't do, and demanding I do things because you tell me to, for "street cred", which sounds like cop talk to me.
Cops try to push people to commit crimes. Is that what you're doing?
I have no idea what's wrong with you. If you're not a cop, maybe you hate women?
This is bad touch, officer. I'm putting you on ignore here,
Edited by nektar61 (10/08/23 12:03 AM)
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