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Cultivating with Canary Seed
    #27238296 - 03/05/21 08:14 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

Hey yall. Its a long story but to make it short I live in a place where grain is hard to come by. Just trust me. Ive already had the "you must not be looking very hard" conversation on another thread. The only thing i could find that was affordable and not treated with nasty chemicals was pure canary seed, so naturally i searched for it on here but couldnt find much. Obviously CS is included in a lot of WBS but it seems that people dont use it on its own or at least dont post about it, so ive decided to document my first attempt.

I read on some post that it was "tricky to hydrate" so i left about 4 cups of it in 6 cups of water in my rice cooker. By the time the water boiled off the seed had inflated to 7 cups. I spread it out in a wide bucket and let it dry for about an hour before packing into jars and steam-sterilizing for 2 hours. I noticed the starchy interiors had partially gelatinized and in some cases separated from the husks, which were still stiff and intact. Reminded me of small oats.

I did a g2g transfer with some colonized rye berries and this is the result a week later:




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Re: Cultivating with Canary Seed [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27238304 - 03/05/21 08:19 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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steam-sterilizing for 2 hours.





no pc? just steamed canary seed?:strokebeard2:

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Re: Cultivating with Canary Seed [Re: mushboy]
    #27238310 - 03/05/21 08:21 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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steam-sterilizing for 2 hours.





no pc? just steamed canary seed?:strokebeard2:




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Re: Cultivating with Canary Seed [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27238313 - 03/05/21 08:23 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

:popcorn:
seed looks a little wet but the myc looks decent.

post updates:cheers:

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Re: Cultivating with Canary Seed [Re: mushboy]
    #27238347 - 03/05/21 08:39 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

I will definitely be posting updates! Anyone else growing in Antioquia check in because if this goes well its going to be a game changer for us :smile:

Edited by bakedbeings (03/05/21 08:40 AM)

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Re: Cultivating with Canary Seed [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27238387 - 03/05/21 09:13 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

I agree the mycelium looks really good for steamed grain. Looking forward to seeing more.


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Re: Cultivating with Canary Seed [Re: Professor X]
    #27238529 - 03/05/21 10:44 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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I agree the mycelium looks really good for steamed grain. Looking forward to seeing more.




Thanks! Question - what do you mean "really good for steamed grain"? Does mycelium look different on PCed grain?  I have a small PC i use for pf cakes but it doesnt fit my big jars so i do all my grain spawn in a normal pot.

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Re: Cultivating with Canary Seed [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27238535 - 03/05/21 10:50 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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I agree the mycelium looks really good for steamed grain. Looking forward to seeing more.




Thanks! Question - what do you mean "really good for steamed grain"? Does mycelium look different on PCed grain?  I have a small PC i use for pf cakes but it doesnt fit my big jars so i do all my grain spawn in a normal pot.



Steaming grains should need a LOT more time than 2 hours. I think it was 8? So for it to be doing good like that is interesting.

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Re: Cultivating with Canary Seed [Re: Nootmuskaat]
    #27238593 - 03/05/21 11:28 AM (3 years, 24 days ago)

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I agree the mycelium looks really good for steamed grain. Looking forward to seeing more.




Thanks! Question - what do you mean "really good for steamed grain"? Does mycelium look different on PCed grain?  I have a small PC i use for pf cakes but it doesnt fit my big jars so i do all my grain spawn in a normal pot.



Steaming grains should need a LOT more time than 2 hours. I think it was 8? So for it to be doing good like that is interesting.


100% this. I'm surprised you don't have a bunch of green jars to be perfectly honest.

If this works out you're on to something a lot better than that stupid uncle Ben's nonsense.


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Re: Cultivating with Canary Seed [Re: Professor X]
    #27238642 - 03/05/21 12:01 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

Given how hydrated the grain is and considering the small size I am not as suprised as some seem. Guess it's at least pasteurized effectively. :shrug:

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Re: Cultivating with Canary Seed [Re: Failboat]
    #27238685 - 03/05/21 12:39 PM (3 years, 24 days ago)

I've used canary grass seed before.Works alright, but is very easy to oversoak / pre boil. My first attempt I did this, it came out alright, but consensus on here was there was a bacterial infection. Although doesn't seem to have caused a major issue (so far).

I've another grow on the go and I was much more aware for the pre boil. This time the grain is much drier, to the point  I can shake the jar and each individual seed will move (before was just one big mush.

But I won't be using this anymore as I've found rye here, but even so, I'd go popcorn over this as using canary grass seed in G2G was a nightmare, whereas popcorn is a delight: easy and fast.


But, get yourself a pressure cooker. Or go for brf and vermiculite, which is more forgiving contam wise. If you cannot get BRF, just buy brown rice and put it in a blender.


<edit> ahh you're the guy in Colombia, so you're using alpiste. Replied to your other thread as well :smile:

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Re: Cultivating with Canary Seed [Re: Professor X]
    #27240133 - 03/06/21 09:10 AM (3 years, 23 days ago)

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I agree the mycelium looks really good for steamed grain. Looking forward to seeing more.





Thanks! Question - what do you mean "really good for steamed grain"? Does mycelium look different on PCed grain?  I have a small PC i use for pf cakes but it doesnt fit my big jars so i do all my grain spawn in a normal pot.



Steaming grains should need a LOT more time than 2 hours. I think it was 8? So for it to be doing good like that is interesting.


100% this. I'm surprised you don't have a bunch of green jars to be perfectly honest.

If this works out you're on to something a lot better than that stupid uncle Ben's nonsense.





Lol this is news to me. Ive done WBR, rye, and oats ALL steamed in a normal pot for two hours, and ive never had a problem. Ironically the only time ive had contams it was on pf cakes I PCed, but im fairly certain it was from the syringe.

Maybe the reason its gone well so far is that i prep the grain in a rice cooker which cooks all the water off, then i open it and move it around while its still hot to release the steam, then i spoon it right into the jars and close them. I wait about a day to let any endospores trigger (thats how that works...right?), and then they get boiled for 2 hours.

I know i wrote above that i dried the canary seed in a bucket for an hour. That was a deviation from my normal routine as they looked wetter than usual. But so far so good. I just shook them at 30%/50% so we'll see if they bounce back or not.

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Re: Cultivating with Canary Seed [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27247786 - 03/11/21 07:59 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Update: two jars recovered after the shake, one did not. Prepping more CS right now to do  a g2g and then spawn to bulk. I will try to get the seed into the jars more efficiently and then double the steaming time to see if i can nix the contam.

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Re: Cultivating with Canary Seed [Re: bakedbeings]
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Re: Cultivating with Canary Seed [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27247804 - 03/11/21 08:15 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Lookin good. I tried using alpiste for a bit but never got anything other than mold once it went to bulk. They might not have been properly hydrated. Another option down here is Millet, which goes by "mijo." You can find it in pet shops as bird food and it is also cheap.

The grain struggle in Colombia is real though. It took me forever to find anything that worked. Good luck with the grow parce


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Re: Cultivating with Canary Seed [Re: bakedbeings]
    #27247815 - 03/11/21 08:22 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

I tried canary seed once years ago, dig a lil digging to find info about it and found nothing. Botched the prep, grains came out of the PC as a single unshakable block. I simply thought it was a grain not suitable as grain spawn and just moved on, never gave it a second chance.

This is interesting, just here to see what kinda results you get. I'm amazed some of your jars even look decent after only 2 hours of steaming in a pot.

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Re: Cultivating with Canary Seed [Re: Josex]
    #27247817 - 03/11/21 08:24 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Actually, now that Gast mentioned it, the stuff I used was alpiste lol
I'm spanish and I thought alpiste translated as canary seed in English, didn't know it's written exactly the same. If it's not the same stuff it looks very similar anyway.

Edit: lol you're from Colombia Gast, I understand now.

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Re: Cultivating with Canary Seed [Re: Josex]
    #27247854 - 03/11/21 08:58 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

Looks awesome. Looking forward to seeing the tubs.


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Re: Cultivating with Canary Seed [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #27247939 - 03/11/21 09:57 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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Lookin good. I tried using alpiste for a bit but never got anything other than mold once it went to bulk. They might not have been properly hydrated. Another option down here is Millet, which goes by "mijo." You can find it in pet shops as bird food and it is also cheap.

The grain struggle in Colombia is real though. It took me forever to find anything that worked. Good luck with the grow parce





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food grade rye in Colombia (incase you need a supplier)

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Re: Cultivating with Canary Seed [Re: Josex]
    #27247943 - 03/11/21 09:59 AM (3 years, 18 days ago)

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I tried canary seed once years ago, dig a lil digging to find info about it and found nothing. Botched the prep, grains came out of the PC as a single unshakable block. I simply thought it was a grain not suitable as grain spawn and just moved on, never gave it a second chance.

This is interesting, just here to see what kinda results you get. I'm amazed some of your jars even look decent after only 2 hours of steaming in a pot.




It is possible to use, to get those grain hydrated and keep them dry enough you can shake each grain in the jar.

12 hour soak
Bring a pan to boil, put in for 10 minutes STRICT.
Take off heat and put into cold water to cool
Lay out on a towel and aim fan at them for 20 minutes

Not had a contam issue with alpiste yet, although moved onto rye once I found a source. But they definitely can be used

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