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This is not the last face you want to see on Earth * 7
    #26549938 - 03/21/20 10:53 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)



If your loved ones die in the hospital right now, you can't be there when it happens because of visitation restrictions. Do you want mine to be the last face they see before having a tube shoved down their throat? I wouldn't either.

At the moment we are on pace to see over a million people die in this country from this disease alone. That doesn't include all of the people who will die because they can't receive treatment for other conditions.


For god's sake, please STAY THE FUCK HOME.

If everyone stays home for 3 weeks this shit is OVER and we can go back to normal life. Many of you are still living life like everything is normal and it IS NOT and WILL NOT BE if you continue to act that way.

Edited by morrowasted (03/22/20 12:04 AM)

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Re: This is not the last face you want to see on Earth [Re: morrowasted]
    #26549948 - 03/21/20 10:58 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

What if you have a healthy immune system?


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Re: This is not the last face you want to see on Earth [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #26549950 - 03/21/20 10:58 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)



please dont make the burden any heavier than it has to be

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Re: This is not the last face you want to see on Earth [Re: morrowasted]
    #26549954 - 03/21/20 11:01 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

How does allopathic medicine help if there is no cure?


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Re: This is not the last face you want to see on Earth [Re: Shiithead]
    #26549956 - 03/21/20 11:03 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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What if you have a healthy immune system?



If you have a working immune system, you'll develop monoclonal antibodies to the disease. After you've become infected.

There is no such thing as a "good" immune system. It's a set of organ systems. You can think of your immune system like your kidneys. It either works, or it doesn't work as well as it should.

No matter how well your immune system works, you do not have antibodies to COVID-19. You may be walking around with a lot of antibodies to things like the flu or rhinoviruses and so you rarely become ill. That does not mean you are protected against COVID-19. It is a new disease.


There are seemingly healthy patients in their 30s dying of this disease.

It does seem to be the case that many patients with the worst outcomes have comorbidities like COPD and heart failure.

Even if you do not, and you don't expect to develop severe complications, when you are infected you are a vector, and you may inadvertently cause someone else to die.

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Re: This is not the last face you want to see on Earth [Re: Shiithead]
    #26549961 - 03/21/20 11:07 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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How does allopathic medicine help if there is no cure?



Supportive therapy. You get a tube shoved down your trachea and it is hooked up to a device that keeps your lungs from collapsing. You are given high-flow (usually 100% FiO2 which is normally rare). This stops you from dying even though your heart and lungs are not working well enough to keep you alive. You are given antibiotics to treat the pneumonia. Where I live, you are also given experimental antiviral drugs that may in fact turn out to cure many patients.

This is just the beginning.


Patients are developing a constellation of pathologies. The severe cases are all developing pneumonia, but this secondary to other processes. Many are developing viral cardiomyopathy and will experience lasting ventricular remodeling and heart failure at a younger age.

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Re: This is not the last face you want to see on Earth [Re: morrowasted]
    #26549996 - 03/21/20 11:47 PM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Do you really believe millions of people could die from this? It’s that serious huh man? I have been in quarantine (haven’t left the house besides grocery store,) for almost two weeks now. Trying to ride this out.

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Re: This is not the last face you want to see on Earth [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #26550008 - 03/22/20 12:02 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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Do you really believe millions of people could die from this? It’s that serious huh man? I have been in quarantine (haven’t left the house besides grocery store,) for almost two weeks now. Trying to ride this out.



yes, I do.

In this country... I'd be surprised to see more than 1-1.5 million deaths from COVID19. That doesnt count people who die bc they cant get treatment for other conditions.

But worldwide yes, possibly into the tens of millions. Although most of the rest of the world is doing a much better job of containing this than the USA is.

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Re: This is not the last face you want to see on Earth [Re: morrowasted]
    #26550012 - 03/22/20 12:10 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)


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Re: This is not the last face you want to see on Earth [Re: morrowasted]
    #26550013 - 03/22/20 12:10 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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Although most of the rest of the world is doing a much better job of containing this than the USA is.



We'll have to see about this. I don't have particularly good expectations for Africa.

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Re: This is not the last face you want to see on Earth [Re: koraks]
    #26550018 - 03/22/20 12:13 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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Although most of the rest of the world is doing a much better job of containing this than the USA is.



We'll have to see about this. I don't have particularly good expectations for Africa.



:frown: Can't say that I do either

Some countries seem to have had the advantage of time. Actually we did too in the USA we just didn't use it. Not too many folks travel to Chad for example, and last I checked they had reported zero cases and shut down all borders/travel. In theory they could keep it out, if it's truly not there yet.

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Re: This is not the last face you want to see on Earth [Re: morrowasted]
    #26550022 - 03/22/20 12:21 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Yeah, if they really manage to lock the borders, they have a chance.
The major risk is in the attitude of the population, I think. I was conversing with someone from Egypt yesterday. He said someone in his area had been diagnosed and the person was quarantined. "So," he argued, "we have successfully contained the situation." It's very difficult to explain to someone that if they identify one case, in all likelihood, they've got dozens going on unnoticed. And we all know that by that time, it's just too late to put a complete stop to it.

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Re: This is not the last face you want to see on Earth [Re: koraks]
    #26550027 - 03/22/20 12:28 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

I know exactly what you're talking about.

Comparisons between this disease and the flu have done a lot of damage to the public mentality about it. I was guilty of making them in the very beginning. Then reality hit me. It only hit me as quickly as I did because of my circumstances, but reality will hit you, too, if people don't wake the fuck up. And I don't expect that they will, at least not in sufficiently large numbers.

This disease is a totally different animal.

The kind of pneumonia it causes is totally unprecedented. The way it shows up on CT is unlike any disease we've seen before.

If we leave it totally unchecked, the world will certainly go on. As it did for millenia. We could expect 80% of the global population to catch the virus during any given pandemic, and 1% to die. The remainder would probably have antibodies for a while. Over the course of millenia, selective advantages would be conferred to the naturally resistant, and many humans would become resistant just as they are to the flu. But by then a new disease will have emerged.

Enter vaccines. It is our hope and prayer that this disease does in fact follow a seasonal pattern like the flu and become much harder to transmit during summer and early Fall. Hopefully in that time we can develop the ability to give people the antibodies they need without having to actually get sick with this disease before the next round.

In the meantime, to minimize the damage, we should avoid social contact as much as possible. Hopefully this will only need to last until early Summer.

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Re: This is not the last face you want to see on Earth [Re: morrowasted] * 7
    #26550029 - 03/22/20 12:29 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)



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Re: This is not the last face you want to see on Earth [Re: psillyboy] * 4
    #26550031 - 03/22/20 12:32 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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Stay safe, friends.

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Re: This is not the last face you want to see on Earth [Re: morrowasted]
    #26550041 - 03/22/20 12:44 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)


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Re: This is not the last face you want to see on Earth [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #26550085 - 03/22/20 01:50 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

I’m not sure where you get the “stay home for 3 weeks and this will all be over info” but that is simply not true.

Two things will stop this:

1. Enough people get infected and develop antibodies that the spread of infection is naturally curtailed..

2. A vaccine is developed and then manufactured followed by mass deployment. 

Besides that, COVID19 is here. This shit isn’t going to stop. The purpose of people staying home and isolating themselves is to slow the exponential spread of the virus and prevent a catastrophic collapse of the health care system.

Fact.


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Re: This is not the last face you want to see on Earth [Re: FrancoAmerican]
    #26550089 - 03/22/20 01:55 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Yes, the 3 week period is a wild and sadly extremely over-optimistic guess. A more likely scenario is a few weeks of fairly drastic shutdown measures, followed by alternating periods of somewhat more relaxed resp. quite strict limitations to social traffic, in response to a pattern of relative quiet phases punctuated by periodic flareups. This may be necessary for an extended period of time, let's say throughout 2020.

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Re: This is not the last face you want to see on Earth [Re: FrancoAmerican]
    #26550351 - 03/22/20 07:43 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

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I’m not sure where you get the “stay home for 3 weeks and this will all be over info” but that is simply not true.

Two things will stop this:

1. Enough people get infected and develop antibodies that the spread of infection is naturally curtailed..

2. A vaccine is developed and then manufactured followed by mass deployment. 

Besides that, COVID19 is here. This shit isn’t going to stop. The purpose of people staying home and isolating themselves is to slow the exponential spread of the virus and prevent a catastrophic collapse of the health care system.

Fact.



You do understand that viruses need hosts to survive for extended periods of time, right? 3 weeks is probably too optimistic but in 5 weeks yes I believe we could totally wipe out viral transmission with total lockdown.

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Re: This is not the last face you want to see on Earth [Re: morrowasted]
    #26550392 - 03/22/20 08:13 AM (4 years, 7 days ago)

Are you aware morrow' of any use of theraputic plasma transfusions from those that have antibodies to the virus after having recovered?


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