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Insomnia and strange waking visuals after Micro Dose. * 1
    #26189441 - 09/15/19 10:08 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Hey there,

Long time lurker but first time poster.

First a bit of history:

Tripped my first time about 12 years ago, was a great experience. Between then and 2014 I would occasionally trip shrooms with friends 2-3 times per year. While not every trip was fantastic, I never had a bad trip. Most I've ever done was 3 grams, and during that dose I decided that was my limit. I'll probably never do more than 2 though. My last trip in 2014 was a nice time with friends, but I stopped after that as my Dad was losing his battle with cancer, which was not something I wanted to think about while tripping. He passed in early 2016. That summer I did a micro dose for the first time, felt more positive after for a good bit, so did it again that fall. Next was summer of 2017, again a completely positive experience.

And to now:

It had been a few years so I decided it was time to micro-dose again, I've been curious about another trip so figured I'd start to re-test the waters since it has been so long. About a month ago I did about .2 g. Unfortunately after this one I noticed I didn't feel great afterwards, I had more anxiety than usual. After about a week or two this mostly dissipated, but I still felt that I experienced a fluke and that I needed another micro dose to 'cleanse' that sub-optimal result. I took a bit less: 0.16g in the middle of the day, and started to lay down and listen to music. To my surprise I actually dozed off for a little bit, and awoke to some temporarily intense visuals. This was the first time I had ever slept after ingesting mushrooms. I shook it off quickly and slept normally that night.

Next night however was a different story, I only slept for about two hours and woke to intense kaleidoscopic visuals. This only lasted a short period like a few minutes, but it jolted me awake and I wasn't able to get back to sleep. It happened again the next night, same thing, felt right as if I was entering REM sleep I jolted awake and saw trippy images. Though it did last shorter and wasn't quite intense. While I remember this once happening randomly in the past, I thought nothing of it as it never happened quite this intensely and nor in two day succession. It's been about 24 hours since I've slept now and while I've tried to sleep, my anxiety about this phenomenon seems to be preventing it.

I'm starting to wonder if I've had my day with these incredible substances and perhaps my mind is telling me it's time to stop, though I have always been cautious, and have only ever done them a few times a year and almost always sub 2g. It feels depressing to have these strange and frightening after effects when I never have before. I almost wonder if drifting off to sleep even while only on a micro dose fucked with some part of my brain.

Still, given that it was only .16g I do hope this occurrence will dissipate within a week or less.

I would appreciate any insight, advice, similar experiences, or recommendations that any users would have. Should I micro dose again after waiting a bit longer next time (few months), or consider my journeys with shrooms to sadly be at an end? Is there any chance that I've caused myself lasting physiological harm with even that low of a dose?

Regards to any who took the time to read this.


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Re: Insomnia and strange waking visuals after Micro Dose. [Re: UndergroundRidge]
    #26190511 - 09/15/19 08:25 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Hey long time lurker as well but don't stress to much over this (easy to say.. hard to do) stay hydrated eat some food, go outside walk around get some exercise.. hang with friends and family to keep your mind away from anxious and stressful thoughts. all will be well just give your mind some time and remember the size of the mushroom does not correlate with the strength of the mushroom so perhaps these are side effects of taking a stronger dose than one expected..

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Re: Insomnia and strange waking visuals after Micro Dose. [Re: futurefocused]
    #26190588 - 09/15/19 09:05 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the response. I do feel a bit better today as far as the anxiety goes. But I also still can't sleep despite having tried a number of times. I think I'm just caught in an anxiety loop about not being able to sleep, and therefore I can't sleep.

Might try Melatonin or 5-HTP and see if that helps.


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Re: Insomnia and strange waking visuals after Micro Dose. [Re: futurefocused]
    #26190592 - 09/15/19 09:06 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Hmm, do you take any medications? Or have you been diagnosed with any psychological conditions?

It could be as simple as your conclusion. Whether this is perceived bad thing or a good thing it’s possible for psychedelics to kind of open up the lid on what was already there. Maybe sort of “you don’t need psychedelics”

Do you meditate? Have any grounding techniques? Try some chamomile tea too relax and to sleep. Anything gaba-ergic will benefit you (except maybe alcohol) I do recommend meditation though as well. Focusing on your breath and surrendering too it is the best grounding technique.

I can at least tell you that you haven’t damaged your brain or anything like that, and not to worry. Even if you do have some sort of psychological condition and this isn’t going away like it should, it’s very easy to make it go away with today’s medicine. Xanax, benzodiazepines stuff like those will help you if that’s the case.

And if you don’t have a psychological condition, there’s no reason you cant safely push yourself past your 3g dose limit that you set for yourself. So basically don’t worry, your mind can go a lot further than you previously thought it could sometimes.

Edit; wouldn’t recommend anything that effects serotonin receptors too sleep. Gabaergic compounds (like what’s found in Chamomile) will more than likely help you the most


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Re: Insomnia and strange waking visuals after Micro Dose. [Re: The lurker]
    #26190702 - 09/15/19 10:22 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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Hmm, do you take any medications? Or have you been diagnosed with any psychological conditions?

It could be as simple as your conclusion. Whether this is perceived bad thing or a good thing it’s possible for psychedelics to kind of open up the lid on what was already there. Maybe sort of “you don’t need psychedelics”

Do you meditate? Have any grounding techniques? Try some chamomile tea too relax and to sleep. Anything gaba-ergic will benefit you (except maybe alcohol) I do recommend meditation though as well. Focusing on your breath and surrendering too it is the best grounding technique.

I can at least tell you that you haven’t damaged your brain or anything like that, and not to worry. Even if you do have some sort of psychological condition and this isn’t going away like it should, it’s very easy to make it go away with today’s medicine. Xanax, benzodiazepines stuff like those will help you if that’s the case.

And if you don’t have a psychological condition, there’s no reason you cant safely push yourself past your 3g dose limit that you set for yourself. So basically don’t worry, your mind can go a lot further than you previously thought it could sometimes.

Edit; wouldn’t recommend anything that effects serotonin receptors too sleep. Gabaergic compounds (like what’s found in Chamomile) will more than likely help you the most




Haven't really been diagnosed with any psychological conditions except for ADD as a kid (and who wasn't).

And no, I'm not on any meds, I do try and stick with natural stuff.

This phenomenon did happen once before, I suppose it's called 'hypnopompia,' but only once before really and never twice in both nights like it has recently. Almost feels as though the intensity of the visuals (though they didn't last long) jolted me awake. The only thing I can think of is I've never fallen asleep after ingesting shrooms before, and now I'm all worked up thinking I've perma-messed up my sleep cycle. Though the night of the micro-dose I was fine.

Interestingly enough I noticed someone seemed to have a similar experience on this message board a good while back: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13530876

I'm probably just overthinking things at this point. Just hoping things will normalize here.


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Re: Insomnia and strange waking visuals after Micro Dose. [Re: UndergroundRidge]
    #26191024 - 09/16/19 05:59 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

UPDATE:

So yeah... I've been awake way too long. I almost managed to sleep but this time rather than waking to hallucinations they were present from the transition to sleep. It was like there was a wall of hallucinations preventing me from entering deep sleep when it felt like I was finally entering it.

I'm pretty sure this is what I'm dealing with: https://www.tuck.com/sleep-hallucinations/

Now there's the question of what to do. I have to wonder if the unique phenomenon of me dozing and then waking while micro-dosing may have caused this. Thankfully my dose was small and hopefully if this was the cause it will dissipate. Naturally my anxiety surrounding this issue and lack of sleep are likely compounding it for now.

So yeah, do I abstain from shrooms from here forward for fear that they might exacerbate an underlying sleep condition that they may have brought to the surface? Or do I micro-dose or even trip again to 'reset' this phenomenon that may have been triggered in my brain from the unique circumstances that occurred while using?


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Re: Insomnia and strange waking visuals after Micro Dose. [Re: UndergroundRidge]
    #26191040 - 09/16/19 06:12 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I think you have decent shrooms and you're taking threshold doses rather than microdoses. Try not to overthink it. And honestly, sometimes tripping again to shake the cobwebs loose can sometimes really help. Depending on the situation. Use your own judgement though. You're probably fine


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Re: Insomnia and strange waking visuals after Micro Dose. [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26191055 - 09/16/19 06:26 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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It sounds like you're surpassing the 'microdose' and having a mini experience. Rushing thoughts. This can lead to anxiety. This happens to me when I under dose on mushrooms. This is why I only eat an 8th+.. because once you're in the full experience the anxiety subsides, after the comeup at least.

Those lower doses when you're stuck between tripping & sober is when it's just an overall weird feeling. Maybe try .1

I know it seems funny because it is such a small amount, but I've tried microdosing before and ate .2 before and have had slight visuals believe it or not. I could see enhancement in the text messages I was sending with a bit of altering letters.

Made for a weird 'trip'. I tend to take bigger doses and go with the flow opposed to microdosing though. Microdosing is not really my thing.


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Re: Insomnia and strange waking visuals after Micro Dose. [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26191067 - 09/16/19 06:37 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the responses folks. Honestly even when encountering the hallucinations this last attempt at sleeping, they didn't frighten me as much. And now that I know that they're not linked with mental illness that also alleviates some tension. If they stayed with me for a duration during waking hours then I'd be really concerned. I think this is something I just need to wait out as my brain re-balances. Also haven't had caffeine in two days so the withdrawal symptoms of that may also be compounding these occurrences.

I'll keep anyone interested posted on the situation moving forward.


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Re: Insomnia and strange waking visuals after Micro Dose. [Re: UndergroundRidge]
    #26191092 - 09/16/19 07:17 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I’m tellin ya man if you take anything that effects gaba receptors it’s gonna bring you right down to baseline and you’re going to fall asleep like a little baby


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Re: Insomnia and strange waking visuals after Micro Dose. [Re: The lurker]
    #26191105 - 09/16/19 07:32 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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I’m tellin ya man if you take anything that effects gaba receptors it’s gonna bring you right down to baseline and you’re going to fall asleep like a little baby




Not super familiar with what affects GABA-receptors, though I did have some chamomile tea as you suggested. Most of the anti-anxiety drugs that I'm seeing related to that require a prescription yes? Is there a specific one you might recommend?


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Re: Insomnia and strange waking visuals after Micro Dose. [Re: UndergroundRidge]
    #26191139 - 09/16/19 07:52 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Oh okay how did the chamomile help? Might need to drink a couple cups for the effects to work. Lots of plants contain gabaergic compounds as well

Yes most do require a prescription, stuff like Xanax and other benzodiazepines are literally made for the state of mind you’ve found yourself in. Xanax works fantastically id recommend it if you don’t have to buy it off the street, but any Benzos would work fine. I can’t think of anything like that you could buy OTC off the top of my head. These substances have a high affinity for gaba receptors

A small dose of alcohol might actually help. It does effect gaba receptors as well

Gaba is a neurotransmitter with a variety of functions. Psychoactive substances that effect gaba receptors reduce anxiety almost completely, usually restlessness and anxiety go hand In hand


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Re: Insomnia and strange waking visuals after Micro Dose. [Re: The lurker]
    #26191145 - 09/16/19 07:56 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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Oh okay how did the chamomile help? Might need to drink a couple cups for the effects to work. Lots of plants contain gabaergic compounds as well

Yes most do require a prescription, stuff like Xanax and other benzodiazepines are literally made for the state of mind you’ve found yourself in. Xanax works fantastically id recommend it if you don’t have to buy it off the street, but any Benzos would work fine. I can’t think of anything like that you could buy OTC off the top of my head.

A small dose of alcohol might actually help. It does effect gaba receptors

Gaba is a neurotransmitter with a variety of functions. Psychoactive substances that effect gaba receptors reduce anxiety almost completely, usually restlessness and anxiety go hand In hand




Thanks for the additional info. And as far as the sleep hallucinations themselves, do you suspect those will likely subside once I'm not so worked up over it? Or do you think the dose could have permanently altered something?


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Re: Insomnia and strange waking visuals after Micro Dose. [Re: UndergroundRidge]
    #26191154 - 09/16/19 08:04 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Yes I’m almost 100% positive these effects will go away once you get a good night of real sleep and/or take a solid dose of something that effects gaba. I highly doubt you’ve permanently altered anything :thumbup::mushroom2:

Permanently altering your mind is kind of a funny concept because there’s a lot of things one can do whether it be changing your lifestyle, ignoring it, or taking certain substances that will literally physically counteract what one has altered. Even the vast majority of schizophrenic people re associate themselves and live in a relatively normal life with therapy and medication

You’ve got nothing to worry about :cheers:


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Re: Insomnia and strange waking visuals after Micro Dose. [Re: The lurker]
    #26191302 - 09/16/19 09:26 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Alcohol effects GABA. Many people use it to relax and sleep after a trip.


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Re: Insomnia and strange waking visuals after Micro Dose. [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26191331 - 09/16/19 09:40 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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Alcohol effects GABA. Many people use it to relax and sleep after a trip.



Yeah I mentioned that as well, would be the last thing I would reach for to achieve that effect after a trip, but it seems like it could work in a pinch.


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Re: Insomnia and strange waking visuals after Micro Dose. [Re: The lurker]
    #26191352 - 09/16/19 09:56 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Just don't overdo it. People say you can't feel it as well while you're tripping but that's not really the point. A small ass dose of alcohol can make a big difference. Like I drank a kombucha on the tail end of a trip once, which is the equivalent of a near-beer, and I passed out way sooner than I normally would have. So if I'm gonna do that at all, and I don't normally, I'll drink a beer, maybe two. There's really no point in going over that. I used to like to drink hard liqour with a few psychedelic RCs but I'll probably never have them again.

Honestly there's no reason to shy away from it. I mean you're recommending he get into Xanax or trying herbal teas. Alcohol is really quite the middle ground between the two don't you think? And I don't have to worry about fent-cut presses. Yeah, wow that would really help calm me down while I'm still spinning. "I wonder what's in these."


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Re: Insomnia and strange waking visuals after Micro Dose. [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26191362 - 09/16/19 10:04 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Haha nah you’re totally right, it could be the best thing to use in this situation. I didn’t directly recommend it because I really don’t have experience with using it for that purpose, and I use alcohol very rarely. Nothing against it though.  Would only recommend Xanax or benzos as pretty much a one time or rare occasion thing if the person could somehow get them from a real script. That is just the most effective thing I’ve used for that purpose

Personally I use various plants for that purpose that contain gabaergic compounds because they’re likely the least toxic thing, and are enough for me. Lemon balm is pretty effective especially.

A strong red vein of kratom is actually great for sleeping after trips/relaxing as well.


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Re: Insomnia and strange waking visuals after Micro Dose. [Re: The lurker]
    #26191926 - 09/16/19 02:17 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Still awake.

same shit, few times I have gotten close to sleep I see crazy visuals and a wave of anxiety prevents me from entering REM.

Saw my doctor this morning, but only told him I had strange dreams and then insomnia. I asked for a Benzo but he didn't want to give me that and gave me some samples of Belsomra. After looking at the potential side effects (more hallucinations), I still have yet to take it.

If I can't sleep tonight, may be hospital time.

Hope this isn't some form of HPPD.


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Re: Insomnia and strange waking visuals after Micro Dose. [Re: UndergroundRidge]
    #26191995 - 09/16/19 02:51 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I’m sorry too hear that, I sadly know nothing about That medication so I don’t want to say anything there hopefully someone else will be able to chime in.

Did you ever try alcohol? It’s worth a shot if you can get to sleep before you get to the point of going to the hospital. It effects gaba receptors much like benzos do.


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