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Drugs are mostly evil * 4
    #25212187 - 05/18/18 09:43 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

When I use the word evil I mean "contributing to undesirable experiences". The drug user almost always contributes to undesirable experiences for others. Many drug users contribute to undesirable experiences for themselves. I had been clean for 7 months and started smoking marijuana again. It literally makes me sick. APCs in my immune system seems to treat something in marijuana as antigenic and cause inflammation. I am no longer fully present in the moment: I am stuck in a space where I am thinking of the future, mostly- the next time I will use- and retrospecting about how I could have done things differently to my benefit. Nevertheless when I smoke I find myself doing so compulsively because of the THC's effect on mesolimbic dopamine.

When I am sober I actually feel greater amounts of what I wish I could feel. It is just delivered to me more slowly and consistently.

I wish drugs did not exist. They are a cheat code for experience/pleasure with serious repercussions. Even when the repercussions exist, it is EXTREMELY difficult to willpower one's way out of using them.


In fact, chronic heavy drug users are difficult to even consider as moral agents- as people. They (we) are more likely malbehaved animals. Even if/when we know what is right, we do what is wrong out of compulsion.

I regret having taken drugs. Truth is unobtainable regardless of experience, and for me, the consequences of taking drugs have far outweighed the benefits.

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Re: Drugs are mostly evil [Re: morrowasted]
    #25212197 - 05/18/18 09:46 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

i agree with you 100%

have you tried using just CBD weed and nothing else?


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Re: Drugs are mostly evil [Re: morrowasted]
    #25212199 - 05/18/18 09:46 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I like drugs :shrug:


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Re: Drugs are mostly evil [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #25212217 - 05/18/18 09:54 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I am sober too. not 7 months but a few weeks. i already feel much more like myself and in touch with everything around me. ill probably never use recreational drugs again tbh.

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Re: Drugs are mostly evil [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #25212221 - 05/18/18 09:56 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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I like drugs :shrug:



Everyone likes drugs. The question is, how many different mechanisms are there for liking a thing? Are some mechanisms of liking more choice-limiting than others? Do some things we might like preclude the ability to like other things more than other things? The answer is, for many people, yes: mesolimbic dopaminergic drugs

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Re: Drugs are mostly evil [Re: morrowasted]
    #25212224 - 05/18/18 10:00 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

also what is your view on nootropics


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Re: Drugs are mostly evil [Re: morrowasted] * 9
    #25212226 - 05/18/18 10:02 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Like everything in this life, there is a shadow side to them.

There are good drugs and bad drugs, and good ways to use them and bad ways to use them.

I completely disagree with the 'mostly evil' title of this thread. Drugs are completely benign.

It's us, and the way we use them, that is the problem.

I have had some of the most wonderful and amazing experiences of my life because drugs (psychedelics) helped me get there.


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Re: Drugs are mostly evil [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25212237 - 05/18/18 10:08 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah i just dont let drugs consume me,
I've never tried hard drugs and don't want too :shrug:


jokeshopbeard hit the nail on the head


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Re: Drugs are mostly evil [Re: connectedcosmos] * 3
    #25212248 - 05/18/18 10:12 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Drugs are evil?
No wonder I love them!


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Re: Drugs are mostly evil [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #25212257 - 05/18/18 10:15 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Been smoking and drugging for 40 years on and off. I went back to school in my 40's and got a nursing degree.:shrug: Maybe I could have done "more" or been better off had I chosen not to do drugs, but I will never know that. No regrets here, but I am a strange type.:nursemaryjane: Atypical one might say.


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Re: Drugs are mostly evil [Re: xbloodwhipx]
    #25212272 - 05/18/18 10:23 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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I am sober too. not 7 months but a few weeks. i already feel much more like myself and in touch with everything around me. ill probably never use recreational drugs again tbh.



i thought the same thing when i was a few weeks sober: I WOULD NEVER USE AGAIN! DRUGS RUINED MY LIFE! then life got better and a million different thoughts about why drugs would be okay to use now plagued me

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Re: Drugs are mostly evil [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #25212276 - 05/18/18 10:24 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Like everything in this life, there is a shadow side to them.

There are good drugs and bad drugs, and good ways to use them and bad ways to use them.

I completely disagree with the 'mostly evil' title of this thread. Drugs are completely benign.

It's us, and the way we use them, that is the problem.

I have had some of the most wonderful and amazing experiences of my life because drugs (psychedelics) helped me get there.



I think the potential for drugs to remove the personhood of the user makes them mostly evil. They are basically, what I would call, a necessary evil

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Re: Drugs are mostly evil [Re: Envix]
    #25212279 - 05/18/18 10:26 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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also what is your view on nootropics



I take lots of supplements and I am not sure which ones work to my benefit but I think of those that do as therapeutic agents and not drugs

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Re: Drugs are mostly evil [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #25212281 - 05/18/18 10:26 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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a million different thoughts about why drugs would be okay to use now plagued me



So would it be a fairer assessment to say the problem lies with you then?


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Atypical one might say.



Fucking amen to that brother.


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Re: Drugs are mostly evil [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25212293 - 05/18/18 10:31 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Maybe I could have done "more" or been better off had I chosen not to do drugs, but I will never know that.


Will you, though?

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Re: Drugs are mostly evil [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25212307 - 05/18/18 10:35 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Like everything in this life, there is a shadow side to them.

There are good drugs and bad drugs, and good ways to use them and bad ways to use them.

I completely disagree with the 'mostly evil' title of this thread. Drugs are completely benign.

It's us, and the way we use them, that is the problem.

I have had some of the most wonderful and amazing experiences of my life because drugs (psychedelics) helped me get there.



By drugs I mean "mesolimbic dopamine agonists" and maintain my original position, that they are mostly evil. Social interaction is the principal means of normal dopamine release, and its ability to sufficiently affect an entity is inhibited by mesolimbic-dopamine-agonising drug users. some drug users may be able to override this socially-inhibiting effect to the advantage of themselves and others, but not all.

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Re: Drugs are mostly evil [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25212311 - 05/18/18 10:37 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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By drugs I mean "mesolimbic dopamine agonists" and maintain my original position, that they are mostly evil



I have no idea what that is, but you should probably change your thread title to make it clearer to everyone what it is that you're talking about.

Also, I still 1000% disagree with you, because this gives you away completely:

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a million different thoughts about why drugs would be okay to use now plagued me



So would it be a fairer assessment to say the problem lies with you then?




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Re: Drugs are mostly evil [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25212317 - 05/18/18 10:39 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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So would it be a fairer assessment to say the problem lies with you then?


No, the problem is co-variable, but without the drugs it could not exist. Without the drugs it would consist of something like perfectionism or people-pleasing, which are not-as but also personally-damaging

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Re: Drugs are mostly evil [Re: morrowasted] * 4
    #25212322 - 05/18/18 10:43 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Ah I see. Next time I smash someones head in I'll just tell the court that it was a co-variable problem, and that without them my violence could not exist.

Sure that'll get me off the hook real easy.


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Re: Drugs are mostly evil [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25212330 - 05/18/18 10:47 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Ah I see. Next time I smash someones head in I'll just tell the court that it was a co-variable problem, and that without them my violence could not exist.

Sure that'll get me off the hook real easy.



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