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2018 Counter-Marxism thread
    #24927255 - 01/20/18 03:51 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

This is a thread for those disgusted by the hate ideology of Marxism to share their counter-Marxist efforts in 2018.

One of my major goals this year will be assisting the Sweden Democrats in the 2018 election this September.


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Re: 2018 Counter-Marxism thread [Re: viktor]
    #24927276 - 01/20/18 04:28 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: 2018 Counter-Marxism thread [Re: viktor]
    #24927298 - 01/20/18 04:54 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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One of my major goals this year will be assisting the Sweden Democrats in the 2018 election this September.



How? Don't you live in New Zealand?


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Re: 2018 Counter-Marxism thread [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #24927304 - 01/20/18 04:59 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Propagandising. I live in NZ but I lived in Europe for 3 years and Sweden for 2.


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Re: 2018 Counter-Marxism thread [Re: viktor] * 1
    #24927336 - 01/20/18 05:51 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Propagandising... Do you mean shitposting on the internet? Why do you believe you'll be more effective than people who also have boots on the ground?

What are you doing to counter marxism where you currently live?


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Re: 2018 Counter-Marxism thread [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #24927362 - 01/20/18 06:29 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Where I currently live I just meet up with other people who understand the dangers of Marxism. Fortunately I don't live in a big city so this is most people.


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Re: 2018 Counter-Marxism thread [Re: viktor] * 1
    #24927470 - 01/20/18 08:05 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Shitposting is war and viktor is the vanguard.


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Re: 2018 Counter-Marxism thread [Re: viktor]
    #24927500 - 01/20/18 08:33 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Where I currently live I just meet up with other people who understand the dangers of Marxism.



What do you do when you get together with this group to improve the conditions of your community?


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Re: 2018 Counter-Marxism thread [Re: viktor]
    #24927628 - 01/20/18 09:52 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Where I currently live I just meet up with other people who understand the dangers of Marxism. Fortunately I don't live in a big city so this is most people.



So far, what I've heard people say about the dangers of Marxism is that they've had a small handful of leaders under which many people died (most of them unintentionally).

Other than a few arguably bad leaders (which any system can have and which has nothing to do with Marxism), are there other dangers?


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Re: 2018 Counter-Marxism thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24927707 - 01/20/18 10:20 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Define Marxism for me and I'll tell you. I don't want to explain just to be told "Hurr durr that's not real Marxism."


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Re: 2018 Counter-Marxism thread [Re: viktor]
    #24927746 - 01/20/18 10:34 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

A system in which all means of production are commonly owned.


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Re: 2018 Counter-Marxism thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #24927838 - 01/20/18 11:23 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

inb4 viktor's redefinition


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Re: 2018 Counter-Marxism thread [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #24927885 - 01/20/18 11:49 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Did Marx him self not proclaim that workers have "no country?" This is definitely problematic in my opinion, since it reinforces the internationalist premise currently being pursued by global capitalists and Marxists them selves. I think we can safely point the finger at many of the world's current problems based on that single proclamation.

Elite capitalists are seizing on the cheap labour band wagon, while Marxists and Communists are seizing on the migrant and border crises in a vague attempt to fulfill their prophets theory's.

Mean while the majority of the world's work force are ironically suffering as a result. Brilliant.

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Re: 2018 Counter-Marxism thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24927907 - 01/20/18 12:00 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Other than a few arguably bad leaders (which any system can have and which has nothing to do with Marxism), are there other dangers?



Just the common dangers associated with using an economic system that has never been successfully implemented:shrug:


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Re: 2018 Counter-Marxism thread [Re: Bubbles85] * 1
    #24928001 - 01/20/18 12:43 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Did Marx him self not proclaim that workers have "no country?" This is definitely problematic in my opinion, since it reinforces the internationalist premise currently being pursued by global capitalists and Marxists them selves. I think we can safely point the finger at many of the world's current problems based on that single proclamation.

Elite capitalists are seizing on the cheap labour band wagon, while Marxists and Communists are seizing on the migrant and border crises in a vague attempt to fulfill their prophets theory's.

Mean while the majority of the world's work force are ironically suffering as a result. Brilliant.




It appears to me you just argued against capitalism.


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Re: 2018 Counter-Marxism thread [Re: Enlil]
    #24928004 - 01/20/18 12:44 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Other than a few arguably bad leaders (which any system can have and which has nothing to do with Marxism), are there other dangers?



Just the common dangers associated with using an economic system that has never been successfully implemented:shrug:



"Successfully"?  How do you measure that?

"Dangers"?  What are you riddling about?


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Re: 2018 Counter-Marxism thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24928012 - 01/20/18 12:46 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Well, every attempt at Marxism on a large scale has failed miserably.


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Re: 2018 Counter-Marxism thread [Re: Enlil]
    #24928041 - 01/20/18 12:58 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

"Miserably"?  How do you measure that?


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Re: 2018 Counter-Marxism thread [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #24928353 - 01/20/18 01:29 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Well, it's clearly subjective, but I think we can agree on some objective standards.  For instance, it seems that any economic system should be able to adequately address the issue of scarcity for a period of time.  As a baseline, that period of time should at least exceed a human lifespan, otherwise we're talking about little more than an experiment. 

Can you name a few communist/socialist regimes that have lasted longer than 70-80 years? 

Of those, did any of them adequately address the issue of scarcity for longer than 70-80 years?

If the answer is no to either of those, then there really hasn't been a successful Marxist society, has there?


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Re: 2018 Counter-Marxism thread [Re: Enlil]
    #24928723 - 01/20/18 01:46 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Well, it's clearly subjective, but I think we can agree on some objective standards.  For instance, it seems that any economic system should be able to adequately address the issue of scarcity for a period of time.  As a baseline, that period of time should at least exceed a human lifespan, otherwise we're talking about little more than an experiment.



Soviet communism adequately addressed the issue of scarcity for 40 years from post Stalin times through their conversion to capitalism.

Sure, there was a temporary "shortage" of butter, where people were limited to 1.1 pounds per visit, but that's hardly a shortage.

Maybe it's not enough time for you to declare it a "success", but you also can't call it a failure either.


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